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Penn Jillette
#11
RE: Penn Jillette
Don't know if you've all seen this, but here's Penn being 'interviewed' (i.e. slagged off) by the revolting Piers Moron about his book God, No! and his atheism in general:

Part 1 -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSJV8mC8GYk

Part 2 -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpkjTn11D...re=related

On behalf of the entire United Kingdom, Northern Ireland and her territories abroad, I here and now apologise to the Universe at large for the existence of Piers Moron.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#12
RE: Penn Jillette
What an utter fuckwit Morgan is, and what great service he does to the xtian community in showing just how stupid it can get.
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#13
RE: Penn Jillette
Ok, I think this is evidence that suggests that when you present an idiotic argument using a really cool upper class English accent it sounds so much more intelligent than when you present the same idiotic argument using a hick accent from rural Mississippi. Perhaps Piers Moron has proven something.Thinking
I have studied the Bible and the theology behind Christianity for many years. I have been to many churches. I have walked the depth and the breadth of the religion and, as a result of this, I have a lot of bullshit to scrape off the bottom of my shoes. ~Ziploc Surprise

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#14
RE: Penn Jillette
If you haven't seen it, here's a really good one - Penn Jillette interviewing Richard Dawkins on his radio show. They bring up a lot of things that would be well worth a discussion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=5ePLlzbd5ng It's in 6 parts: Follow the threads once you've seen the first one.

- Is there something disingenuous about doing "good acts" because you think "Big Brother" in the sky is watching you, and will reward you for it, or does it really just take a good person to perform a "good act"?
- Where does "morality" come from? Do you have to be religious/Christian to have morals? Or, is the Bible/Torah/Koran one of the best examples out there of showing immoral acts as moral?
- "Wall of Respect" or "Wall of Faith" that religion or religious people put around their beliefs?
- Talks about natural selection, evolution, eugenics, and population genetics - talks about it going out of fashion due to "argementum ad hitlerium". Dawkins calls Hitler "screwy" about his eugenics. Smile But they talk about real problems with the notion of human breeding programs.
- The use/misuse of quantum mechanical terms or other scientific jargon to "prove" religion in new-age contexts, and why Richard Dawkins is alarmed by the whole New Age and pseudo-scientific claptrap with real scientific background being used to "prove" God. Richard Dawkins points out that sometimes when religion goes, it gets replaced by something even worse - like a sort of "empty-headed belief in anything - and that's what a lot of this New Age clap-trap - I'm sorry to say, is."
- Channel 4 did/was doing "The Rational Enquirer" - Astrology, divination, etc. He talks about the people he (Dawkins) has interviewed, who lift phrases and concepts from modern science. They don't have the foggiest notion of what quantum theory is all about, but it sort of sounds good effectively making a sort of modern "Quasi-scientific religion". Dawkins thinks this would be even worse than the historical religions. That might be worth a discussion!
- Religion in much of the world is fading away, and it even appeared to be fading away in the 1970s-1980s, only to make a huge comeback. It still could very well happen. There seems to be a lot of people, especially religious people, who are convinced that the period after we lose religion will be "terrible", because these religious people are convinced that they will start raping, stealing, and killing if they didn't have religion to stop them. Hmmmm. Sad state of being!
- Another interesting notion that supposedly came out of Israel, "None of us believe in any of this, but the smart people have to push religion so they aren't destroyed by the stupid people.", and a discussion about whether the Pope really is religious or whether it's just a put-on to keep the masses of uneducated people in line. Penn and Dawkins agreed that they're not that cynical, and Dawkins hopes the cynics aren't right.
- Dawkins has observed that when he appears in the "Bible Belt" of the US, that he gets a lot of cheers. and upwelling from the audience when he dispells religious questions that are carefully orchestrated - like from Liberty University. He thinks that's an EXCELLENT sign for people who have been so suppressed all their lives.
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#15
RE: Penn Jillette
I'd be willing to bet my balls to a barn dance, (excuse the americanism) that the only reason piers morgan is getting the ratings and being kept on presenting this show is this faux-catholic image he has been portraying of himself since he got this job. I try not to hate anyone, hate is a useless emotion and wasted on a smug numbhead like morgan, but he gets right under my skin in a big way.
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly realized I was talking to myself." Peter O'Toole.
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#16
RE: Penn Jillette
Piers Moron is less than the sum of the sperm and egg that created him. I don't know of anyone who will admit to finding anything even remotely admirable to say about him.

Like any good atheist, I've seen and heard many Richard Dawkins interviews but somehow I missed that one. Mucho kudos for sharing it.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#17
RE: Penn Jillette
(November 6, 2011 at 2:00 pm)Ziploc Surprise Wrote: Ok, I think this is evidence that suggests that when you present an idiotic argument using a really cool upper class English accent it sounds so much more intelligent than when you present the same idiotic argument using a hick accent from rural Mississippi. Perhaps Piers Moron has proven something.Thinking

Sounds just as fucking stupid to me.
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