The ummah that was never there

[kılıç_mehmet]

Islam calls for a unity, we believe that
The Ottoman Empire was able to achieve unity and we are proud of that
Barbarossa 5000000 saved more than a thousand of the Inquisition

Well, correct, however the Ottomans forgot about who they damn were...
They retreated to their little harems, and allowed their mothers to reign on the country, which they devestated.
None did yearn more to actually appease their preatorians, the janissaries, and to be left alone.
How well can the Turk rule over other muslims so rebellious in spirit?
No, we shall not shed more a drop of blood for the ones who have crushed our efforts and cursed our name.

[Minimalist]

While in general a skeptic such as I might be inclined to agree with you about the real motivations for war the fact remains that writers have given us this take on Urban II's call for the Crusade.

"All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested. O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent God and is made glorious with the name of Christ! With what reproaches will the Lord overwhelm us if you do not aid those who, with us, profess the Christian religion!

You need a way to motivate the troops to fight and telling them that they are dying to make some noble rich is not the way to go about it. Instead you give them horseshit like the above to fight for.

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
- Blaise Pascal

As for religious warfare in Europe here is a list which in general dates from later than your Hundred Years War question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

And then there is this:

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ch...usades.htm

I'm afraid that xtians were no better than muslims when it came to spreading the word of their bloody god by the sword. They did eventually grow out of it but they have to be watched like hawks to prevent them slipping back in to that "let's kill everyone for fucking jesus" mode.

I don't trust anyone who thinks an invisible friend talks to them.

[kılıç_mehmet]

You need a way to motivate the troops to fight and telling them that they are dying to make some noble rich is not the way to go about it. Instead you give them horseshit like the above to fight for.

Well, they were also told that they were going to be rich. Of course I'm sure that religious fervor was a part of it, but most peasants knew that there was little to stay behind in europe, so they moved to engage the saracen to the east.

As for religious warfare in Europe here is a list which in general dates from later than your Hundred Years War question.

Well, these were generally politically motivated. Some princes chose to be with the protestants, some with the catholics. It's not really a matter of religion, it's a matter of sovereignity.

I'm afraid that xtians were no better than muslims when it came to spreading the word of their bloody god by the sword. They did eventually grow out of it but they have to be watched like hawks to prevent them slipping back in to that "let's kill everyone for fucking jesus" mode.

Well, there never was something like "let's kill everyone for Jesus" thing.
In fact, I don't know where in the bible this is commanded or whatever.
IT's a political and economic thing, as I tell you. The massacres that resulted from it..Well, that's how things went back then. My ancestors sacked loads of cities and burned loads of towns, killed and sold people to slavery...Before and after their conversion to Islam. Really, there isn't much of a difference.

I don't trust anyone who thinks an invisible friend talks to them.

Well, those are generally people who suffer from schizophrenia. No one I know even the most devout ones tell me that God speaks to them?

[moslim]

Yes, there are errors, but they did not do what the United States and France and Britain combined

[kılıç_mehmet]

Yes, there are errors, but they did not do what the United States and France and Britain combined

But they did assist them, didn't they? And it was certainly not the first time.
Who really remembers the day when Barbarossa was in the Algiers?
When the arab of the city rebelled against the authority of the Turk, did they not release the 10000 christians that were held in the prison, on the single word from the spanish King, who was slaughtering their kind in Al-Andalus?

[KichigaiNeko]

Nice to see the Muslim / Moslem populations define themselves as being at least 500 years behind the times Min.

I wonder if they will "grow out of it" or just slaughter Islam and it's population in total??

[kılıç_mehmet]

Nice to see the Muslim / Moslem populations define themselves as being at least 500 years behind the times Min.

I wonder if they will "grow out of it" or just slaughter Islam and it's population in total??

Well, they surely don't.
Nationalism took it's root there too.
Just in few places religion determines who you are.
Pakistan, and Bosnia.
Both Pakis and Hindus are the same people, indians.
The Bosnians and Hrvats and Serbs, are all the same thing, with different religions.
There, religion defines your "ethnicity".

[5thHorseman]

Mehmet are you a Muslim?

I noticed that Turkey is the country in Europe that has the highest 'belief' ratio. 95% are nutters.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Mehmet are you a Muslim?

I noticed that Turkey is the country in Europe that has the highest 'belief' ratio. 95% are nutters.

As always, I have doubts about everything, however, I've probably tried many different religions until so far.
I haven't made up my mind quite yet.
You might have noticed something, however, what you don't notice is that most Turks are only believers when shit hits the fan.
Even the oldest and most pious looking elderly have been probably quite the sinners back in their days, went to the pilgrimage, and have devoted themselves to God in their final my religion, in truth, is actually irrelevant.
My viewpoint on life does not revolve around my religion, no, it revolves around Turkist ideology.

I do not judge people according to their belief, nor their piety. It is somewhat weird to judge people according to their conscientious choices.
This is what our founding fathers tried to archive, a country with free thought, free conscience, and this is what secularism in Turkey revolves around.

[5thHorseman]

'As always, I have doubts about everything, however, I've probably tried many different religions until so far.'

Just quit them all, faith is overrated they all full of shit filled with empty promises.