Atheist fundamentalism?

[Giff]

Does this exist? And if it does, what is it?

Science and atheism don't officailly have something to do with eachother, but many scientist and those how like science are atheists. Like me, you could say science and knowledge made me an atheist. But anyway, you can't be fundamentalist in science you wouldn't be taken seriously.

I think the same thing would apply for atheism, which for me is merly a word that descibe that I just don't believe in a god, gods or any supernatural and so on.

I'm opened minded to all theories as long as it rational and have proof. But I don't believe in nonsence or plain bullshit. Maybe that is what some people find to be fundamentalism.

Sepcially Dawkins have been accused to be a atheist fundamentalist och science fundamentalist.

What do you guys say about it?

[Edwardo Piet]

Atheists don't believe in God. That's what it means - that's atheism.

So I guess all atheists are fundementalist only in the sense that they fundementally share one thing in common - not believing in Gods! Lol.

If an atheist is fundamental in the sense of fanatical then it's got nothing to do with their atheism. Not believing in God doesn't make you a fanatic.

All atheists share in common is non-belief in Gods - anything fanatical is about the particular indiviudal not the atheism.

You can get fanatical people of all types. So you can get fanatical atheists as in people who are fanatical who HAPPEN to be atheists - but you can't get fanatical atheists as in atheists who are fanatical BECAUSE they are atheists. Or are fundamentalist because of theri 'atheism'.

I can't imagine extreme behavior like going to war over a non-belief can you?

Atheism doesn't justify anything - it doesn't have a creed or doctrine - it's just non-belief.

Atheism doesn't tell you anything - not so with thesim. Different religions have different rules - atheism just=ANYONE who doesn't believe in God(s)! That's it! There be nothing fanatical ro fundementalist BECAUSE of that. Anything fanatical or fundemantist would have to be seperate to that and about the individual. Atheism just=non-belief in God - nothing more, nothing less - by definition.

EvF

[leo-rcc]

Looking up the definition of fundamentalism:

Fundamentalism.

1. (religion) The tendency to reduce a religion to its most fundamental tenets, based on strict interpretation of core texts.
2. (finance) The belief that fundamental financial quantities are the best predictor of the price of an instrument.
3. The beliefs held by those in this movement.
4. Strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles.

Main Entry:
fun·da·men·tal·ism
Function:
noun
Date:
1922

1 often capitalized : a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching b: the beliefs of this movement c: adherence to such beliefs

2: a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles <Islamic fundamentalism> <political fundamentalism>

The religious one does not apply in my opinion.

The second one, strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles, might qualify for scientists, as in adherence to the Scientific Method. But that is really stretching the definition.

I do not consider the disbelief in gods a basis for anything, let alone a basis for fundamentalism.

But there are some Atheists and Anti-theists out there that are just as bad if not worse than some of the theists. This might be a backlash to a theistic upbringing or just stupidity (it's not like there aren't any stupid atheists out there, check some of the comments on Youtube for evidence of that).

I would say there is more an individual zeal and perhaps even anger than a common fundamental one amongst atheists. I would guess most atheists only call themselves that as a response to a theistic experience, usually religious fundamentalism.

[Kyuuketsuki]

Does this exist? And if it does, what is it?

I think this would have be brought down to definitions, here's an answer I gave 7 years ago when someone inferred I was one:

Miriam-Webster defines "fundamentalism" as:

1. (a) A movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching (b) the beliefs of this movement & © adherence to such beliefs.
   
2. a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles.

As an atheist I guess we can reject '1' so you must be using "2" to refer to me, yes?

Do I adhere to a strict basic set of rules? I am a science adherent and an empiricist ... it is from those (& only those) that my atheism arises so, yes I do adhere to a strict set of basic rules BUT they are the same rules that science adheres to ... everything else is negotiable.

So the answer is yes I will accept that the label fundamentalist applies to me as long as you accept that anyone else who adheres to scientific principles is likewise a fundamentalist.

Kyu

[fr0d0]

Atheism defies definition past it's meaning, like EvF says. Atheists as a group, to include activists of any sort, do tend to follow patterns generally and I find it interesting the many parallels between this group and religious groups.

There are charismatic leaders who's words are widely read; shared ideals, a perfect truth as in the atheist statement: "atheism is the philosophical position that deities don't exist"; Atheists/ non/ anti religious activists feel the need to congregate in groups such as this; need to spread the message to the world so everyone can think the same as they do, to convery the religious to their way of thinking.

Fundamentalist would be the no holds barred brick wall individuals who, like their religious counterparts, defy all logic and refuse on principle to consider and opposition, having already made up their mind, or have had their minds made up for them, have been brainwashed.

[Giff]

Fr0d0 thyou have claimed peple for not knowing and being ignorant on this site. But yourself have been that yourself recently.

[Kyuuketsuki]

Atheism defies definition past it's meaning, like EvF says. Atheists as a group, to include activists of any sort, do tend to follow patterns generally and I find it interesting the many parallels between this group and religious groups.

No they don't ... as Jason Jarred pointed out some time ago and many have pointed out to you since the one and only thing atheists share is a rejection of claims to deity, we don't share the same politics, we don't share the same taste in movies, in art, in music, in books, we are of different ages, sex, colour, sexuality, we have different family situations, different nationalities, different temperaments, different aims, different ambitions, jobs, clothing, culture etc. etc. ... basically different everything and you're talking rubbish yet again.

There are charismatic leaders who's words are widely read; shared ideals, a perfect truth as in the atheist statement: "atheism is the philosophical position that deities don't exist"; Atheists/ non/ anti religious activists feel the need to congregate in groups such as this; need to spread the message to the world so everyone can think the same as they do, to convery the religious to their way of thinking.

Atheist have no charismatic leaders, simply a bunch of authors, speakers they admire and atheism carries no philosophical value whatsoever ... all you are doing, having failed to raise your theistic position above atheism is trying to lower atheism to the level of your theism ... standard theist tactic, disingenuous to the last.

Fundamentalist would be the no holds barred brick wall individuals who, like their religious counterparts, defy all logic and refuse on principle to consider and opposition, having already made up their mind, or have had their minds made up for them, have been brainwashed.

Yes and we all know you think some of us (myself included) exist in that camp but the fact that you equate that position with others who doggedly pursue your argument refusing to accept crap for answers is your fucking problem not ours.

Kyu

[fr0d0]

Fr0d0 thyou have claimed peple for not knowing and being ignorant on this site. But yourself have been that yourself recently.

Where? (not denying my ignorance just would like you to be specific)

Atheism defies definition past it's meaning, like EvF says. Atheists as a group, to include activists of any sort, do tend to follow patterns generally and I find it interesting the many parallels between this group and religious groups.

No they don't ... as Jason Jarred pointed out some time ago and many have pointed out to you since the one and only thing atheists share is a rejection of claims to deity, we don't share the same politics, we don't share the same taste in movies, in art, in music, in books, we are of different ages, sex, colour, sexuality, we have different family situations, different nationalities, different temperaments, different aims, different ambitions, jobs, clothing, culture etc. etc. ... basically different everything and you're talking rubbish yet again.

No they don't what? I was supporting your statement.

There are charismatic leaders who's words are widely read; shared ideals, a perfect truth as in the atheist statement: "atheism is the philosophical position that deities don't exist"; Atheists/ non/ anti religious activists feel the need to congregate in groups such as this; need to spread the message to the world so everyone can think the same as they do, to convery the religious to their way of thinking.

Atheist have no charismatic leaders, simply a bunch of authors, speakers they admire and atheism carries no philosophical value whatsoever ... all you are doing, having failed to raise your theistic position above atheism is trying to lower atheism to the level of your theism ... standard theist tactic, disingenuous to the last.

Call them what you like. I'm simply making an observation. Of course in your militant underpants thinking is a threat.

Fundamentalist would be the no holds barred brick wall individuals who, like their religious counterparts, defy all logic and refuse on principle to consider and opposition, having already made up their mind, or have had their minds made up for them, have been brainwashed.

Yes and we all know you think some of us (myself included) exist in that camp but the fact that you equate that position with others who doggedly pursue your argument refusing to accept crap for answers is your fucking problem not ours.

I would be more generous to you my dear friend. I think I'd place you more al-qa'ida militant

[Kyuuketsuki]

No they don't ... as Jason Jarred pointed out some time ago and many have pointed out to you since the one and only thing atheists share is a rejection of claims to deity, we don't share the same politics, we don't share the same taste in movies, in art, in music, in books, we are of different ages, sex, colour, sexuality, we have different family situations, different nationalities, different temperaments, different aims, different ambitions, jobs, clothing, culture etc. etc. ... basically different everything and you're talking rubbish yet again.

No they don't what? I was supporting your statement.

Tend to follow patterns.

Atheist have no charismatic leaders, simply a bunch of authors, speakers they admire and atheism carries no philosophical value whatsoever ... all you are doing, having failed to raise your theistic position above atheism is trying to lower atheism to the level of your theism ... standard theist tactic, disingenuous to the last.

Call them what you like. I'm simply making an observation. Of course in your militant underpants thinking is a threat.

No, thinking stupid crap is a threat but thinking is fine.

Yes and we all know you think some of us (myself included) exist in that camp but the fact that you equate that position with others who doggedly pursue your argument refusing to accept crap for answers is your fucking problem not ours.

I would be more generous to you my dear friend. I think I'd place you more al-qa'ida militant

Don't call me your friend! I have friends, I respect them.

I'd place you in the metaphysical numpty camp.

Kyu

[Giff]

Where? (not denying my ignorance just would like you to be specific)

I may have been a little bit unfair saying such a satement. But that what I felt, because first you said that you thought it was ignorant of atheists to give an view of what religion and christianity was.

Then yourelf go and say what atheism is and that atheism is closely like a religion in this thread. I thought if we were ignorant to post comments on what christianity was and that we, including me, thought that catholocism was a christians belief. Then you certainly would be the same posting on what atheism are, science and whether or not atheism fundamentalim exists.

You maybe wasn't ignorant posting such a comment, but I thought it was a strange statement you made before.