Homophobes. Your nipples prove that you could have been Gay.
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Homophobes. Your nipples prove that you could have been Gay.
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WTH is this under Religion?...
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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The Religious institution I'm farmiliar with doesn't, in fact uniformity of purpose, personal accountability and morality are held by the majority of Christians I've met. I don't see where it's applicable to Christianity or Religion specifically and would prefer the context of the discussion (especially from the OP) be placed in one of the more sciency topics. Unless all religious are homophobes. I don't want to call any nomes or pick any fights , but in this community all those who have expressed homophobic speech have been on your side of the fence, not mine, even the fundies.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari (November 25, 2011 at 11:37 am)tackattack Wrote: The Religious institution I'm farmiliar with doesn't, in fact uniformity of purpose, personal accountability and morality are held by the majority of Christians I've met. I don't see where it's applicable to Christianity or Religion specifically and would prefer the context of the discussion (especially from the OP) be placed in one of the more sciency topics. Unless all religious are homophobes. I don't want to call any nomes or pick any fights , but in this community all those who have expressed homophobic speech have been on your side of the fence, not mine, even the fundies. Well, the largest religions in the world are of Abraham decent and are definitely homophobic, anti gay and equality for women. Even the Dahli Lama call being homosexual sex inappropriate. That is good enough I think to say that religions are leading the way to homophobia and the suppression of women. That is not science. I admit that some Christian sects are or have shifted to a more civilized view but most have a ways to go. As to personal accountability, any that believe in Jesus and his sacrifice do not believe in it. That would be all Christians. Regards DL
not science? Ok, so you're using the Dahli lama's (spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhists) opinion to base a belef on what modern Christianity believes?
I think ignorance, denial and fear lead the way to homophobia and suppression of human rights. Religion has definitely done it's part in the past. Then you question the belief in personal accountability from a religious group that takes it's example from Jesus who took responsibility for everyone's sin on the cross. I believe your blinders are about 10 sizes too ignorant to continue this conversation.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari (November 26, 2011 at 9:35 am)tackattack Wrote: not science? Ok, so you're using the Dahli lama's (spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhists) opinion to base a belef on what modern Christianity believes? You are right that Christians think that he died for their sins. IOW they try to profit from the murder of an innocent man to get them into heaven instead of taking responsibility for their own sins. You are not stepping up to your responsibility while riding a scapegoat or using a sacrificial lamb. The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality. Regards DL
Life for Christians is about selfless giving, because of the example of Christ sacrificing himself. It's not for profit (getting into Heaven) or for fear of reprisal (hell fire and damnation). If it is for either then it's not selfless, and then would be an attempt at profiting. I could even concede that it's a majority that do act that way, it's not the way I was raised though.
The cornerstone of Christianity is Jesus' self-sacrifice for all, thus showing it's morality.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari Quote:(November 29, 2011 at 1:43 am)tackattack Wrote: Life for Christians is about selfless giving, Check this and then tell me what you see as justice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaQpRZJl...re=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-91mSkxaXs Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Psalm 49:7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: Regards DL 
Firstly, I don't claim religion as the source of morality in individuals; which your first clip assumes.
To the First video, the basis for his assumptions that Christ's sacrifice removes pesonal accountability is flawed. In fact it doesn't "disolve our obligation to live and witness in truth" it encourages that 1 John 3:18 comes to mind. Religion isn't about consolation or eschewing responsibility on a scapegoat it's about understanding God and our relationships with him and each other. Simply because Hitchens feels (and rightly so)that generally the religious pawn responsibility for the good and bad in their lives on God as a majority do, but that (unrightly) Jesus' sacrifice for all simply removes our sinful nature is incorrect. "What's that like to lie to children for a living?" .. wow the emotional appeal here is where it starts turnign into an anti-theist rant and I must confesss I started tuning it out. Regardless of all this it doesn't make the religion immoral, just some (or on some points) most religious people basing their beliefs on immoral ideals. To invalidate the whole of the religion he should have used dogmatic and scriptural approach, to even get close to his target. In response tothe sedcond video; it's not true that Jesus nullifies the punishment for our sins or the fact that we did sin, he advocates that the consequences or price of our life of sinful actions are already paid. Jesus was that propitiation, given by God, not the nullification. Punishing someone for a crime they didn't commit is obviously unjust. Sacrificing one for the many is just. It is further more touching and sacrificial when he did it knowingly and intentionally, but continued till the end with dignity instead of bitterness. What parent on here wouldn't step in front of a bullet or a car to save their kid? How is that immoral? To your ezekiel verse the prohpet speaks the entire chapter of temporal rewardsand punishments not of eternal so I don't see where it's relevant to this discussion, ATT. It does easily show personal accountability though , so I'm not sure why you included it, as it's in opposition to the opinion of the first video and your view thusfar. Nor do I see the correlation to your Psalms verse that talks about rich people not being able to redeem/save any but yourself. @rev- lol I love waterboy.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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