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Logic 101
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Logic 101
This is a thread which will serve as a kind of index for other threads which deal with certain aspects of logic. Anyone who wants to contribute should start a new thread dedicated to some part of logic (an argument, a fallacy, etc), and then contact a staff member so that this thread can be updated.

Logical Fallacies

Ad Hominem
Whining "Ad Hominem" by DeistPaladin

No True Scotsman
A Quick Reminder About The "No True Scotsman" by Tiberius
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RE: Logic 101
Does anyone know what the fallacy of presenting the phenomena/place in question as "ontological proof" of any given supernatural being's existence is?

Like for example: "The Universe is proof of a God."
"The Forest is proof of Unicorns"

And so on...
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RE: Logic 101
(29th November 2011, 15:34)Welsh cake Wrote: Does anyone know what the fallacy of presenting the phenomena/place in question as "ontological proof" of any given supernatural being's existence is?

Like for example: "The Universe is proof of a God."
"The Forest is proof of Unicorns"

And so on...

Isn't that the argument from ignorance?
Trying to update my sig ...
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RE: Logic 101
Here is a cool taxonomy of logical fallacies. I know I didn't follow the guideline and made a thread about it, but I just wanted to share this.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/taxonomy.html
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RE: Logic 101
(3rd December 2011, 11:55)Epimethean Wrote:
(29th November 2011, 15:34)Welsh cake Wrote: Does anyone know what the fallacy of presenting the phenomena/place in question as "ontological proof" of any given supernatural being's existence is?

Like for example: "The Universe is proof of a God."
"The Forest is proof of Unicorns"

And so on...

Isn't that the argument from ignorance?

Nope, argument from ignorance is "you can't prove It's false, thus its true" or "you can't prove it's true, thus it's false"

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RE: Logic 101
Quote:Not every insult is an ad hominem.

Indeed.Man people don't seem to grasp the difference between "You are stupid BECAUSE you are a Christian (ad hominem) and
'You are stupid AND a Christian" (insult)


Not all believers are stupid,but most stupid people are believers.
Quote:Nope, argument from ignorance is "you can't prove It's false, thus its true" or "you can't prove it's true, thus it's false"

True enough,but 'argument from ignorance' is a lot broader than that. See Wikipedia.
Man is not so much a rational animal as a rationalising one.
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RE: Logic 101
Quote:Indeed.Man people don't seem to grasp the difference between "You are stupid BECAUSE you are a Christian (ad hominem) and
'You are stupid AND a Christian" (insult)

Insults are usually irrelevant and thus usually fall under red herring.

Quote:Not all believers are stupid,but most stupid people are believers.

Well, most everyone is a believer, period. So I would probably agree that most stupid people are believers; my guess is that most smart people are believers, too.

(29th November 2011, 15:34)Welsh cake Wrote: Does anyone know what the fallacy of presenting the phenomena/place in question as "ontological proof" of any given supernatural being's existence is?

Like for example: "The Universe is proof of a God."
"The Forest is proof of Unicorns"

And so on...

Is that necessarily a fallacy? There is no phenomena or 'place in question' that gives an ontological proof for a supernatural being's existence?

If these are fallacies, I'd probably categorize them under non sequitur, since the conclusion doesn't follow from the premise.
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
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RE: Logic 101
Hey CliveStaples whats up?
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RE: Logic 101
discipulus, two things. Please don't necropost and Clive hasn't logged in since 13th December 2012, so don't hold your breath for an answer.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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RE: Logic 101
On the other hand, Kay, it was nice to see Pad's name up in lights again.
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