What are you bigest reasones for not believing in the Quran only?

[Welsh cake]

I can't pronounce half the fucking names in it for starters.

I mean LOOK at this, I feel so distant and remote from it already, and that's before the nonsensical claims about a deity whose very existence can't be verified are made:

1. Al-Fatihah
2. Al-Baqarah
3. 'Ali `Imran
4. An-Nisa'
5. Al-Ma'idah
6. Al-'An`am
7. Al-'A`raf
8. Al-'Anfal
9. At-Tawbah
10. Yunus
11. Hud
12. Yusuf
13. Ar-Ra`d
14. 'Ibrahim
15. Al-Hijr
16. An-Nahl
17. Al-'Isra'
18. Al-Kahf
19. Maryam
20. Taha
21. Al-'Anbya'
22. Al-Haj
23. Al-Mu'minun
24. An-Nur
25. Al-Furqan
26. Ash-Shu`ara'
27. An-Naml
28. Al-Qasas
29. Al-`Ankabut
30. Ar-Rum
31. Luqman
32. As-Sajdah
33. Al-'Ahzab
34. Saba'
35. Fatir
36. Ya-Sin
37. As-Saffat
38. Sad
39. Az-Zumar
40. Ghafir
41. Fussilat
42. Ash-Shuraa
43. Az-Zukhruf
44. Ad-Dukhan
45. Al-Jathiyah
46. Al-'Ahqaf
47. Muhammad (this one is a given)
48. Al-Fath
49. Al-Hujurat
50. Qaf
51. Adh-Dhariyat
52. At-Tur
53. An-Najm
54. Al-Qamar
55. Ar-Rahman
56. Al-Waqi`ah
57. Al-Hadid
58. Al-Mujadila
59. Al-Hashr
60. Al-Mumtahanah
61. As-Saf
62. Al-Jumu`ah
63. Al-Munafiqun
64. At-Taghabun
65. At-Talaq
66. At-Tahrim
67. Al-Mulk
68. Al-Qalam
69. Al-Haqqah
70. Al-Ma`arij
71. Nuh
72. Al-Jinn
73. Al-Muzzammil
74. Al-Muddaththir
75. Al-Qiyamah
76. Al-'Insan
77. Al-Mursalat
78. An-Naba'
79. An-Nazi`at
80. `Abasa
81. At-Takwir
82. Al-'Infitar
83. Al-Mutaffifin
84. Al-'Inshiqaq
85. Al-Buruj
86. At-Tariq
87. Al-'A`la
88. Al-Ghashiyah
89. Al-Fajr
90. Al-Balad
91. Ash-Shams
92. Al-Layl
93. Ad-Duhaa
94. Ash-Sharh
95. At-Tin
96. Al-`Alaq
97. Al-Qadr
98. Al-Bayyinah
99. Az-Zalzalah
100. Al-`Adiyat
101. Al-Qari`ah
102. At-Takathur
103. Al-`Asr
104. Al-Humazah
105. Al-Fil
106. Quraysh
107. Al-Ma`un
108. Al-Kawthar
109. Al-Kafirun
110. An-Nasr
111. Al-Masad
112. Al-'Ikhlas
113. Al-Falaq
114. An-Nas

[5thHorseman]

Same reason I don't believe in The Lord of The Rings with Gandalf starring as Mohamed.

It's just a book, something that should be taught in literature. Nothing else.

Stop searching, you'll only find promises.

[Pel]

Peace. Sorry. But I didn't ask about the biography wich is from the hadith. The first hadith were colected about two hudred years after Muhammad's death. The hadith were transmited orally for those two hundred years. Bukhari, the most famous colector gathered around 600 000 hadiths and he said that he could only take about seven thousand to be authentic. I dont believe any of them are authentic. Thats were his biography comes from.

Sory, but there is no authorization in the Quran for any Bukhari or any other colectors and Bukhari wad not the prophet so he has no right from God to act like one.

People, I don't think that you should take the so called history if Muhammad to be true because of the reasons that I have given.

So, to use the hadith as a source of argument against his character is unethical.

Thanks

[Happy UnBeliever]

Peace. Sorry. But I didn't ask about the biography wich is from the hadith. The first hadith were colected about two hudred years after Muhammad's death. The hadith were transmited orally for those two hundred years. Bukhari, the most famous colector gathered around 600 000 hadiths and he said that he could only take about seven thousand to be authentic. I dont believe any of them are authentic. Thats were his biography comes from.

Sory, but there is no authorization in the Quran for any Bukhari or any other colectors and Bukhari wad not the prophet so he has no right from God to act like one.

People, I don't think that you should take the so called history if Muhammad to be true because of the reasons that I have given.

So, to use the hadith as a source of argument against his character is unethical.

Thanks

The first hadith were colected about two hudred years after Muhammad's death.

Just like all of the NT was not written until 70 to 130 years after the death of this jesus. Anything written 200 years after the fact cannot possibly be based on any eyewitness testimony....

[Epimethean]

Taking the Quran to be true as the word of allah may be the unethical part, Pel. Anything else is just fairytale theater.

[downbeatplumb]

Peace. I haven't posted in a while. I suppose some if you would remember me. I am the one who believed in Go and the devil/demons, but couldn't make up my mind as to what system to follow. I changed more then once my beliefs.

Anyway, interesting things gave happened in my life and I plan to talk about them in the future.

Anyway, my question to those who don't believe in the Quran is what are the main reasons for your disbelief in the Quran (NOT THE HADITH).

In the past mine used to be hell. I kept thinking that God would not put anyone in hell. That's it. Not forever anyway.

Now what's yours? Remember, the Quran, not the hadith of which there are many books.

Thanks

Coz its bad fiction.

Read some good fiction, Dune kicks arse.

[Minimalist]

Hey, lad...these are the stories that you guys make up about your boy. They are just as absurd as the stories about jesus, moses and quetzlfuckingcoatl but morons declare them to be true.

For myself, I see no evidence that mohammed, the illiterate camel-jockey pedophile ever lived.... but I do find it strange that people would exalt such a flawed character by calling him the messenger of fucking god.

It's roughly analogous to jews bitching about the holocaust and then claiming that "joshua" was a great hero for exterminating the Canaanites.

Religious people are always full of shit.

[Pel]

Peace. Well. If you people don't believe that the hadith wich ate the so called source of the history of Muhammad then you should agree that's imoral and that you and many others are falsely acusing him of things he probably never did.

So, my sugestion is stop saying Muhammad is this or that when you know that most likely he is not.

You guys are like a false witnesses who are suporting another false witnesses.

You are using lies that suit you.

Thanks

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

People, I don't think that you should take the so called history if Muhammad to be true because of the reasons that I have given.

What on earth gives you the impression I care what you think?


I don' know you and you come across as a person who tries,but who has not yet fully mastered critical thinking; Eg you accept the Qur'an which is almost certainly fantasy,yet reject the Hadith which are more likely to be true. PLUS Many millions of Muslims accept and revere the Hadith,although they do not consider them as inspired like the Qur'an. Many Muslims consider THEIR Hadith as crucial to their faith.


ME? I disbelieve both the Qur'an and Hadith due to lack of credible evidence.Consequently, I have no interest in which parts of Islamic mythology you accept as your personal superstitions.

Wa salaam

The term Hadīth ( /ˈhædɪθ/[1] or /hɑːˈdiːθ/[2]) (plural: hadith, hadiths, or ahadith) is used to denote a saying or an act or tacit approval or criticism ascribed either validly or invalidly to the Islamic prophet Muhammad.[3]

Hadith are regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Quran and in matters of jurisprudence.[4] Hadith were evaluated and gathered into large collections during the 8th and 9th centuries. These works are referred to in matters of Islamic law and history to this day. The two main denominations of Islam, Shiʻism and Sunnism, have different sets of Hadith collections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith

[DeistPaladin]

Re: the OP

I often use the term "Islamo-Christianity" because of their theological similarities. However I recognize that there are some differences between them. Do you know the biggest difference?

Bull crap vs. jack crap

I've written a book on the huge stinking pile of bull crap that Christians present as "evidence" for their faith. However, I'll give the devil his due, the Christians at least offer something to back up their claims. In contrast, the Muslims offer jack crap to back up their claims. The religion claims essentially that some guy said God spoke to him. That's it. Nothing outside the Koran itself is offered as evidence for this claim. No supposed "eye witness accounts". No supposed "fulfillment of ancient prophecy". No forged historical documents like the TF. No storehouse of artifacts sold to the credulous.

Islam described in seven words: some guy claimed God spoke to him. That's all. You can go down to the local mental institute and likely find a half dozen inmates who'll make the same claim with just as much evidence.

Oh, but wait, it gets even better.

Islam claims that Muhammad knew Jesus better than the Christians themselves, the only people he could have heard about Jesus from. That's right. The people who were part of the church allegedly established by Jesus managed to get it all wrong and Muhammad, who could only have heard of Jesus from these same Christians, could set them straight. We're now beyond the realm of special pleading. We're exploring uncharted territory of the ridiculous. This is not just "my prophets tell the truth and yours lie", typical special pleading of religion, but "I knew your prophets better than the people who lived at the time and place in which they lived".

Hell, I could make the same claims about Muhammad. Did you know that he never preached worship of Allah? He said you should forget all this nonsense and use science and reason to understand your universe. It's true. I know Muhammad better than any of those people who've previous written anything about him. And for Muslims who want to play the "power of God" card to get out of this jail of their own making, you have to wonder why the same god who saw fit to speak to Muhammad in a dream couldn't conjure a few burning bushes in Constantinople to set the wayward Christians straight.

But wait, there's more!

You also get the Muslim Jesus, the worst failure of a prophet that could be imagined.

If the Muslim story about Jesus is true, it means he came to be the forerunner of Muhammad. Not more than a few years after flying up into the sky, along comes some guy names Paul who convinces all of Jesus' followers to pay no attention to anything Jesus said and to instead worship him. And apparently the followers of the Muslim Jesus just said, "Duh, ooookeeey. Some guy over here says we should worship him so I guess that's what we'll do".

Are you still believing this story? You may want your mom or dad to come with you next time you buy a car.

OK, but back to the story of the Muslim Jesus. Now here's a prophet that's standing before God, according to the Koran, and he says he never told the Christians to worship him. Now my response as God would have been "well, you're a total fuck up of a prophet then!"

Short of leaving behind a group of followers that worship Satan, I can't imagine a more colossal failure. The clusterfuck was combined with clear negligence on the part of Jesus who never fucking wrote anything down, despite the fact that he could read and write and taught in the temple.

Great prophet my ass!

And the hits keep on coming. Crack open the Koran and you'll have to wade through the rambling ravings of a madman that make the Bible look like fucking Pulitzer material. I managed to get a third of the way through before my eyes completely glazed over. How many times should I be expected to read "Allah is great. Unbelievers will burn." repeatedly exclaimed with bits of Bible stories tossed in to the mix? One of the supposed "proofs" of the Koran is "how beautifully it's written". I wrote more coherent shit in the third grade.

How anybody ever converts to this religion, other than by the sword, is beyond me and some sobering evidence that maybe the atheists are right in that we as humans were lucky to have gotten this far in the first place.