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Cosmological Fine Tuning
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 (December 23, 2011 at 2:38 am)Chuck Wrote:(December 21, 2011 at 6:26 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: You'll have to get his head out of the way first. With such childis behaviour like name calling (which you've replaced with logical arguements because you rqan out or had none to begin with) this time I'm logging off for good and never come back here with such people flamming those who merely wanted to discusss an arguement. You were flamming an article before you even read it. Sounds like a low brow reaction to me. 
Or possibly a finely tuned one? Still, at least you can retire in the belief that you argued against a nest of godless heathen and emerged victorious. As long as it makes you happy, that's the main thing.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 RE: Cosmological Fine Tuning
December 24, 2011 at 8:22 pm
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(December 24, 2011 at 8:20 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Or possibly a finely tuned one? Still, at least you can retire in the belief that you argued against a nest of godless heathen and emerged victorious. As long as it makes you happy, that's the main thing. ... even if that victory is just as deluded as his religious beliefs.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925 Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan  (December 24, 2011 at 7:09 pm)Pete Wrote: With such childis behaviour like name calling (which you've replaced with logical arguements because you rqan out or had none to begin with) this time I'm logging off for good and never come back here with such people flamming those who merely wanted to discusss an arguement. You were flamming an article before you even read it. Sounds like a low brow reaction to me. Indeed, Have i replaced name calling with logical arguments? I didn't think so. Name calling is cheap and befitting Of shabby mental dregs like ray comfort. Logical arguments have value, and should deployed where they are deserved, not where ray comfort is. 
Oops. That might be my fault... I called him a name. Scientist. My bad.
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RE: Cosmological Fine Tuning
December 25, 2011 at 7:23 pm
(This post was last modified: December 25, 2011 at 7:24 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
"You're mean and I totally won...I'm gonna take my ball and leave now".....No worries amigo, another one of you will be along any moment. Hell, we have a resident creationist or two. I hope you didn't expect to win anyone over with this stuff, it's tired and played out.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(December 25, 2011 at 7:23 pm)Rhythm Wrote: "You're mean and I totally won...I'm gonna take my ball and leave now".....No worries amigo, another one of you will be along any moment. Hell, we have a resident creationist or two. I hope you didn't expect to win anyone over with this stuff, it's tired and played out. Makes me feel like Buffy the Vampire Slayer. They just keep coming.
I find it interesting that a universe that allows for life to exist and has it requires no supernatural explanations. A universe that doesn't allow for life to exist and has it anyway would require some powerful entity intervening. An omnipotent God could have us living on airless asteroids or at the core of black holes. Instead we're in exactly the place we would need to be if there isn't a God.
Exactly. The 'finetuned for life' argument glosses over the fact that just about 100% of the universe appears to be lethal to life, at least as we know it. It's been compared to finding, say, one atom of carbon in a whole galaxy full of planets and concluding that the galaxy is fine tuned for the purpose of supporting carbon.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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