(October 29, 2015 at 7:17 pm)MentalGiant Wrote:You are a member of the American herd. Your health condition is a matter of national security. The reason why we have Medicare and the ACA is because we had a manpower shortage during WWII because so many people failed their military physicals. So almost every President since Truman tried to get a national health care plan to improve the health of Americans.(October 29, 2015 at 6:46 pm)Rhythm Wrote: For starters, you'd be forcing other people to comply with the death sentence you've given yourself for the crime of poverty.
DNR's already do that. Patients can also refuse medication and medical procedures that would be 'lifesaving'. So in your ideal world, I would be forced to receive medical care I do not want just to make the doctor rest easier?
I would imagine many poor people who WANTED health insurance will or have already signed up for obamacare and are receiving the medical care they CHOOSE to have. I am not poor by circumstance though, I am low income by choice. I come from an affluent family, I could suck up to them and leech like my cousins do, but I don't. My husband and I just choose not to lead a materialistic lifestyle, and thus, do not need or want excess amounts of money nor all the bullshit that comes with earning it. My issue is mostly about not wanting to be forced to undergo procedures/treatments/exams I DON'T WANT whilst still having to pay for those I DO WANT. It's like being told "the government is forcing you to buy the red SUV when you want the blue car. You can still buy the blue car too but you still have to pay for the red SUV AND your neighbor with 57 accidents and 21 DUI's red SUV too since they keep crashing theirs.". It's a matter of principle.
I also do not trust the government one iota not to (at some point) begin requiring certain things (like gynecological exams, mammograms, colonoscopies ect...) to remain insured yet penalize/arrest you for not being insured, therefore forcing you into having these exams and procedures done like it or not. That also opens the door to then require treatment be administered, like it or not, if a problem is uncovered. That removes individual choice over their own body. I don't like the government meddling in this stuff and just want no part. Come up with a better system with less government involvement, and maybe I'll nibble and entertain the notion of becoming insured again. I did have health insurance before it became a governmental mandate to have it and to pay for other people who take shit care of themselves to have it too. Dropped it as soon as uncle Sam stuck his grubby little fingers in the pot.
Johnson got Medicare. Nixon might have been able to get a national plan for everyone but he had political problems. Bush got the prescription plan. Obama got the ACA. It's up to someone else to improve those plans. And if you want to die some States now offer doctor assisted suicide.