RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
January 8, 2016 at 9:48 am
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2016 at 9:52 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 8, 2016 at 9:25 am)MysticKnight Wrote: no hypothetical creator can create morality/goodness and decide what it is, without it already existing.The scenario described by this proposition makes any further discussion of gods creating morality absurd. It already exists, QED.
Quote:I use to say, that would make morality arbitrary.-which is an argument to consequence......made out of a non-sequitur. But who cares....we would expect to find fallacies in a discussion that, as per the above, begins at the point of absurdity. It's nonsense, and as a result our attempting to describe it is made nonsense.
Quote:That said, why is it the case the Creator cannot just make goodness what he wants after it not existing? It's by it's nature necessarily eternal. But what I'm saying is if the biological structure of the brain created by evolution can create goodnessSorry, lol..I have to interject. Goodness isn't created by the brain, it's assessed by the brain.
Quote:after it didn't already exist in some form, with no link to eternal reality, then a Creator would of been able to create it after it didn't always exist. But we show if that was the case, morality would be arbitrary. It would be that it can make it that it's good to torture forever with intense torture a being for no crime on it's own.No, it's the same argument to consequence......made out of a non-sequitur.
Now it's a robust strong argument.
Quote:The conclusion is if morality is real and not just a delusion, it is eternal.You have failed to establish that any of this is even related........while failing to provide a rational means of inference upon which to arrive at the conclusion. I, personally, am not compelled by formal logical fallacies.
Quote:And it's nature is such that it takes perception of it to exist, which means an eternal seeing one of it existed.fap fap fap fap
Quote:Getting caught on "if a hypothetical creator..." as if it's making the assumption that such a Creator exists is missing the argument and is being dishonest to it.Except that I'm not caught on your creator....as usual, I'm caught on your poor logic and your grandiose claims to have presented compelling arguments for your ludicrous faith.
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