Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge

[Mystic]

Another way to frame the argument is to say, "If no hypothetical creator can decide or create morality from nothing in a hypothetical world, then neither can anything else".

K.  Wtf is this supposed to mean?  If this hypothetical creator can't creat morality out of nothing, what does he create it out of?  Star dust?  And how does it follow that morality can't be created from any other natural phenomenon outside of god?  I guess I missed the part where you explained that.

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What I meaning is he can simply decide what it is without it already existing. If the Creator can't do that, but can create every natural phenomenon (so whatever structure in our mind makes have morality/goodness, he can create), if follows nothing can create it.
Rather it must be eternal. What I meant from nothing, is that morality itself is created without being it taken from an existing morality.

If a hypothetical creator can create it without it already existing, then he can decide what it is. If he can decide what it is, it can decide it's moral to rape, he can decide it's moral and good to torture a being for no crime it's done forever with intense torture.

I hope you understand what I mean.