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Is Deism a "cop out"?
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RE: Is Deism a "cop out"?
(October 16, 2016 at 1:13 pm)Aegon Wrote: I know little about Deism, but it appears to me like it's just a copout, a way to say that God exists and did create our universe without having to accept all the B.S. that traditionally comes with believing in God. It also sounds pointless; obviously if we were able to prove God created the universe and fucked off, it would be a huge deal. But at this point in time, all you're doing is replacing our non-explanation for the universe with God. And that's when it ends. You could say that anything created the universe / caused the Big Bang. What's the point in saying a God did it other than wishful thinking? And, from a religious standpoint, what's the point in believing a God that has no impact on your life? 

Are there any Deists or former Deists here?

The problem, as usual, is with definitions. What the hell is a "God"? If it's simply a being that creates realities, then by definition, if a being created this one, it is a god. If it's anything more complex than that, it is making yet more unecessary assumptions. (Two have already been made: our reality had a cause, and the cause was the result of an intelligence.)

Some people have gone so far as to say, "God is the cause of our reality, if there is one". So god could be non intelligent, or it could be literally nothing. In this case, it is entirely a copout, putting in a magical sounding word which just rephrases the question.

Deism, in my opinion, stems from an emotional need for an explanation but is cut short of more general theism by some degree of scepticism.

Logically it seems pointless, when you can retain the default position that there may or may not be a cause for our reality; and if there is, it may or may not be intelligent. I have no beliefs either way about this. There's no way to tell, and the ideas aren't so absurd to me that they can be ruled out by probability, as Yahweh et al can. But if you believe in it, you believe, for whatever reason. Being honest about the reason is the hard part.
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Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Aegon - October 16, 2016 at 1:13 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Chad32 - October 16, 2016 at 1:19 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Longhorn - October 16, 2016 at 1:20 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Longhorn - October 16, 2016 at 1:23 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Minimalist - October 16, 2016 at 1:33 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by abaris - October 16, 2016 at 1:56 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Whateverist - October 16, 2016 at 2:03 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Arkilogue - October 16, 2016 at 2:34 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by chimp3 - October 16, 2016 at 2:34 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Aegon - October 16, 2016 at 2:49 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Arkilogue - October 16, 2016 at 3:47 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 24, 2016 at 10:14 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Simon Moon - October 16, 2016 at 6:36 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Drich - October 19, 2016 at 1:45 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by The Grand Nudger - October 19, 2016 at 1:49 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by mlmooney89 - October 19, 2016 at 2:08 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Catholic_Lady - October 19, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Whateverist - October 19, 2016 at 2:31 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by vorlon13 - October 19, 2016 at 2:43 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Grandizer - October 19, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Faith No More - October 19, 2016 at 4:03 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Crossless1 - October 19, 2016 at 4:18 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by account_inactive - October 19, 2016 at 8:23 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by comet - October 20, 2016 at 5:40 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Grandizer - October 20, 2016 at 6:04 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by comet - October 20, 2016 at 6:04 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Whateverist - October 23, 2016 at 2:27 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Edwardo Piet - October 20, 2016 at 7:33 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Mr Greene - October 23, 2016 at 2:10 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 6:22 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by robvalue - October 24, 2016 at 1:43 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Angrboda - October 24, 2016 at 2:13 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by comet - October 24, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by robvalue - October 24, 2016 at 3:34 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Faith No More - October 24, 2016 at 8:49 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by comet - October 25, 2016 at 5:17 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Arkilogue - October 25, 2016 at 5:24 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 24, 2016 at 10:07 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by robvalue - October 25, 2016 at 6:07 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2016 at 11:32 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Whateverist - October 25, 2016 at 11:35 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by goombah111 - October 30, 2016 at 1:34 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Whateverist - October 30, 2016 at 1:42 am

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