woman rights in Islam

[Darwinian]

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a quick view :
1- wine : my religion [ forbidden ] , science [ harm ] , atheism [ freedom] .
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/health/He...lcohol.htm

2- homosexuality : my religion [ forbidden ] , science [ very harmful and danger ] , atheism [ freedom] .
http://www.catholiceducation.org/article...o0075.html

3- adultery : : my religion [ forbidden ] , science [very harmful on health , society , lineage , …. ] , atheism [ freedom and in the case of wife and husband is deceiving and cheating ] . as you know adultery effects on person , family , societies


The science agrees with : [ Islam , Christianity , Judaism " the Ibrahimec religions" ] that all things which have been forbidden by religions are harmful on human's health . which means these forbidden thing has not chosen randomly , it was chosen by a wise knows from the beginning which things are good for us , and which things are harmful on us .
as you know : the periods between prophets are too long [ from prophet Noah to prophet Ibrahim then prophet Moses to prophet Jesus and lastly prophet Mohammad who was not from the Sons of Israel , and has no relation with Rabbis of Jewish or priests of Christianity or the Law of prophet Moses , he proclaimed to a new religion which is Islam , with a new revelation which is Quran . but prophet Mohammad forbidden the same things that was forbidden during the time of prophet Noah , or Moses .
why did prophets agreed on the forbidden things ?
who did inform all prophets about the forbidden things ?
very important note : I am not speaking according to Bible , because it has been mentioned in the bible that all prophets were sinners [ this is a great slander ] . the bible contains many lies about God and prophets .


I think logic with religions . and the followers of desires without looking to harmful consequences , only destroying themselves and their societies while running behind a mirage called : " freedom "

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Never does sexual perversion become widespread and publicly known in certain people without them being overtaken by plague and disease that never happened to their ancestors who came before them.”

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I sincerely hope that most Muslims around the world don't think like you because if they do then we have problems.

[Last_ Ray]

What? You equate the freedom to make a choice, no matter if harmful, with atheism? Interestingly enough, you indicate that "science" in a position like that of religion and atheism will somehow play an equal role. With all due respect sir, are you using dirty rags to stuff your head?

Ok Mr. "Science says its harmful", lets also talk about research into the antioxidants of red wine that lower rates of heart disease in regions like Italy and France. So much for a black/white view of it being "harmful".

Strange !!! , you mentioned a benefit of the Wine at the same time you ignored its many harms on health , but let me tell you , the holy Quran mentioned that there are some benefit of Wine but it harms on body are more than its benefits , and warned us of it :
((They question thee about strong drink and games of chance. Say: In both is great sin, and (some) utility for men; but the sin of them is greater than their usefulness. )) Surah 2 :219 .

You ignored [nervous system , brain , liver , respiratory system , Blood vessel , general health ………………] also if you spend money on your son or daughter is better than spending it on something does not deserve .
It is better for your heart to walk than drinking wine

You use the Catholic Church's position on homosexuality as a source? Fail. Homosexual societies have been documented in mountain goats and it appears to me that it will continue that way. I do not see the harm in letting two consenting adults share intimacy.

We will see about that !!!! ?

Once again you say that science says it is harmful and equate ultimate freedom with atheism. How many times will you keep cherry picking pieces of your preferred ideology and claim science supports you? There are many pieces of 'crazy' and softheaded thinking where Muslims claim that the Qu'ran is scientific.

We did not claim , we insist and sure as I am sure that I am speaking to a wise person , many western scientists who did read the holy Quran affirmed that , very important notice " I said scientists " :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9FpdFEBC5A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSpG3qEmK...re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K15WK0WTB...re=related
if you grew up in a wrong environment , it does not means there is no God .
please my friend watch the clips , your soul deserve a moment of thinking .

There are many unscientific things mentioned in Abrahamic religions. So?

like what ?
please : do not speak according to bible

The prophet is an idiot and tyro about the science of disease, psychology of gender and societal mechanics. The only thing he is remotely qualified to talk about is 15th century politics, which, ironically, seems to be what many fundamentalist Muslims want to take us back to.

What is the main target of the prophets ? and why did God send prophets ?
God did not send prophets to teach people chemistry or Math , physics . these sciences and knowledge we will discover them by ourselves . the main target of prophets is to believe in the creator of heavens and earth and worship him only and no other God , therefore God supported those prophets with miracles , which many of atheists consider both [ prophets and miracles are myths ] . ok with me until now . but let us discover the truth about our knowledge and advanced technology ?!!!
Sure : all people are happy with this revolution in knowledge which started from the time Adam or the first human until our time [ wonderful ]!!!
Surprise ( 1 ):
We have an advanced technology able to discover [ earthquakes , volcanoes or storms and many disasters ] before it happen . and these equipments are a result of knowledge from the time of Adam until our day .
disaster ( 1 ):
[ birds , animals , insects ] have this advanced technology from the time of Adam .
Who did give the living creatures this technology and forbid it on human ?

Surprise ( 2 ):
We have an advanced technology able to see things at night , as clear as it in a sunny day . and these equipments are a result of knowledge from the time of Adam until our day .
disaster ( 2 ):
some [ birds , animals , insects ] have this advanced technology from the time of Adam .
Who did give the living creatures this technology and forbid it on human ?

Surprise ( 3 ):
We have an advanced technology able to locate objects by the hate of objects . and these equipments are a result of knowledge from the time of Adam until our day .
disaster ( 2 ):
some [ birds , animals , insects ] have this advanced technology from the time of Adam .
Who did give the living creatures this technology and forbid it on human ?

We are able to continue with this sequence ……….. !!!
Human was able to create a giant airplanes , but he was unable to create a small Fly !!!! why ?
Is the creation of a fly more difficult than an airplane ?
Or why ?: we accepted that this airplane was created by a very wise people . knew what they create ? and why they did create ? at the same time we refuse or deny that this Fly has been created by a very wise [ God ] knew for what he did create and why did he create ?

Please : read my signature .
Take care .

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Before Islam , Arabs were barbarians , killed each other for silly matters [ for a camel , for a plate ] . people has no civilization or any type of knowledge or science ,and the exact discretion about Arab has been mentioned at Bible :

((21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation )) 32 Deuteronomy

In deed after 23 years of proclaiming , prophet Mohammad established the greatest civilization in history , and was able to change those barbarians to a developer people were able to Build an advanced civilization in : [ morals , religion , scientific ] .

And what you see of advanced civilization in our days , it was only a heritage of the Islamic civilization . as history tells : the European civilization rise up after 100 years of translation of the Islamic books , they called it " translation's century " .
And no fault in that , as long as it will help human to build his world and universe by good thing .

You can click this link , to read what fair Intellectuals and leaders said about prophet Mohammad : http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/quote1.html

So your saying about prophet is idiot is far from truth , and without a proof .

But I will stop with your thinking , and your saying : " Muslims still killing each other because of silly reasons " .

Prophet Mohammad mentioned that before 1400 years about us , he said : Allah drew the ends of the world near one another for my sake. And I have seen its eastern and western ends. And the dominion of my Unimah would reach those ends which have been drawn near me and I have been granted the red and the white trea- sure and I begged my Lord for my Ummah that it should not be destroyed because of famine, nor be dominated by an enemy who is not amongst them to take their lives and destroy them root and branch, and my Lord said: Muhammad, whenever I make a decision, there is none to change it. Well, I grant you for your Ummah that it would not be destroyed by famine and it would not be dominated by an enemy who would not be amongst it and would take their lives and destroy them root and branch even if all the people from the different parts of the world join hands together (for this purpose), but it would be from amongst them, viz. your Ummah, that some people would kill the others or imprison the others.
Ummah means : Muslims

[Dotard]

Human was able to create a giant airplanes , but he was unable to create a small Fly !!!!

Orly? What the hell is this then?



More info about this 'Fly' here.

[downbeatplumb]

Take care .

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Before Islam , Arabs were barbarians , killed each other for silly matters [ for a camel , for a plate ] . people has no civilization or any type of knowledge or science ,and the exact discretion about Arab has been mentioned at Bible :

Wasnt the Arab land part of the christian Byzantine Empire and therefore Orthodox Christian?

[Last_ Ray]

Orly? What the hell is this then?



More info about this 'Fly' here.

Thanks .

I am sure ,the scientists need Scientific conferences to speak about each organ in organic fly , therefore I will consider your comment a good humor by a joyful soul .

((O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it: Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought! )) Surah 22-73

Take care

[Darwinian]

I'm sorry but what are you talking about?

[Autumnlicious]

I am sure ,the scientists need Scientific conferences to speak about each organ in organic fly , therefore I will consider your comment a good humor by a joyful soul .

((O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it: Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought! )) Surah 22-73

Take care

Nonsensical sentence that incorporates an obvious statement with an unconnected definition of an Atheist Forums member. Followed by copy/paste quote from Koran.

[Last_ Ray]

Are the differences between the real Fly and mechanical Fly a countable differences or an infinite differences ?
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I feel some anger in several comments , which not a result of my weak language . but because ……………………………………………………

So please try to be in subject , and avoid some unnecessary words , which will not serve both of us . also these words does not present your real good persona .
Thank you for your Hospitality , and sorry for my weak language

[Violet]

Your english isn't causing any anger (though it can be eye-straining and difficult to understand)... but would you please stop quoting from the Quran?

[Darwinian]

Are the differences between the real Fly and mechanical Fly a countable differences or an infinite differences ?

Neither. But there are differences. Point is though the mechanical fly can still be called a fly as it's small and flies.

Not sure what else to say really. What was the point you were trying to make?