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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 1:00 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 11:05 am)ThePinsir Wrote: That's cool. I'm happy for you and your family. Really.
This isn't proof of any god though. Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0EEKfTnfvA
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I think I'm going to start going all fan-girl here. :p
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 1:00 pm
(This post was last modified: February 28, 2014 at 1:08 pm by JesusLover1.)
My dad doesn't try to scare me with hell, my whole life he's said I'm not going there. But he's certainly thought me that it exists, and there are people going there. And I guess I worry he's right about hell (because he seems sooooo certain about it) but is wrong that I'm not going. But he is NOT at all abusive to me because of that.
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 1:00 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 12:54 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: My dad is a wonderful man. He is incredibly generous to me and our family, he has helped me and helped find people to help me through my severe OCD, and uses his chruch to reach out to prisons and donate money to needy causes. He's been there for me my whole life. Should I trust him, or a bunch of random joes on the internet who says me and my family are idiots?
I'm not saying that your father is a horrible father or husband, nor that he wouldn't be charitable or otherwise a pleasant person. What I'm saying is that he lives in a fantasy world, that he can't have all his screws tight due to "hearing" voices and that he has most definitely brought you up to be unquestioning (like he probably was) and that he is not a great thinker.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 1:01 pm
(This post was last modified: February 28, 2014 at 1:01 pm by Faith No More.)
(February 28, 2014 at 12:54 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Should I trust him, or a bunch of random joes on the internet who says me and my family are idiots?
Neither.
You should look at the evidence and come to your own conclusion, and by that I mean you have to discard your predisposition to think Christianity is true and try to examine the evidence from an objective position.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 1:03 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 1:00 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: My dad doesn't try to scare me with hell, my whole life he's said I'm going there. But he's certainly thought me that it exists, and there are people going there. And I guess I worry he's right about hell (because he seems sooooo certain about it) but is wrong that I'm not going. But he is NOT at all abusive to me because of that.
Oh yes, it's definitely unintentionally abusive. For example, my dad suffered through the same fear as a child, and chose not to pass it on to me - thus reducing the level of abuse.
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 1:03 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 1:01 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (February 28, 2014 at 12:54 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Should I trust him, or a bunch of random joes on the internet who says me and my family are idiots?
Neither.
You should look at the evidence and come to your own conclusion, and by that I mean you have to discard your predisposition to think Christianity is true.
I don't have the mental capacity to research it myself. I have a mental illness that makes even some small things very overwhelming to me, yet alone something as massive as if there's a God or are my parents and everyone I know totally wrong about this.
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 1:04 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 8:50 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: (February 28, 2014 at 8:49 am)catman Wrote: I don't know what was before then. And neither do you.
But how did nothing become something? I'm genuinely curious.
Actually, you are NOT curious.
If you were curious, you'd continue to research and ask questions. Instead, you have decided you have the answer and have given up the search.
How does it feel to have such a closed mind?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 1:05 pm
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(February 28, 2014 at 1:03 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: (February 28, 2014 at 1:01 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Neither.
You should look at the evidence and come to your own conclusion, and by that I mean you have to discard your predisposition to think Christianity is true.
I don't have the mental capacity to research it myself. I have a mental illness that makes even some small things very overwhelming to me, yet alone something as massive as if there's a God or are my parents and everyone I know totally wrong about this.
Damn, fundamentalist religion is just poison for people with anxiety disorders. Are you receiving medical treatment for it? If it's as crippling for you as you report, it would be definitely warranted to restore quality of life. But treatment should be done by specialists for OCD/anxiety disorders, no untargeted general medication.
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 1:06 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 1:03 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: (February 28, 2014 at 1:01 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Neither.
You should look at the evidence and come to your own conclusion, and by that I mean you have to discard your predisposition to think Christianity is true.
I don't have the mental capacity to research it myself. I have a mental illness that makes even some small things very overwhelming to me, yet alone something as massive as if there's a God or are my parents and everyone I know totally wrong about this.
Then don't. It's your life. Why even ask the question if all you're going to do is offer excuses when someone gives you an honest, sincere answer?
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RE: One final attempt to try and get through to you guys
February 28, 2014 at 1:07 pm
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(February 28, 2014 at 1:00 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: My dad doesn't try to scare me with hell, my whole life he's said I'm going there. Then he's trying to scare you with hell. Lying to yourself about it won't change anything.
Quote:But he's certainly thought me that it exists, and there are people going there. And I guess I worry he's right about hell (because he seems sooooo certain about it) but is wrong that I'm not going.
...and it seems that he's succeeded, unfortunately
Quote: But he is NOT at all abusive to me because of that.
Some people consider it to be child abuse. In some nations, 'extreme religious indoctrinations' (e.g. deliberately scaring the wits out of your children with threats of hell, satan, demons etc.) will be treated as abuses under the law and can be a contributing factor to parents losing the right to raise their children.
(February 28, 2014 at 1:03 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: I don't have the mental capacity to research it myself. I have a mental illness that makes even some small things very overwhelming to me, yet alone something as massive as if there's a God or are my parents and everyone I know totally wrong about this. ...especially under these circumstances!! I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that a sensitive, caring parent would understand the additional stress that certain concepts might cause you and do their best to reduce or eliminate that stress.
Sum ergo sum
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