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RE: serious question
October 28, 2014 at 9:00 pm
if there is life after death and there enough evidence for it sign me up.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today.
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RE: serious question
October 28, 2014 at 9:18 pm
Well you were an easy win
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RE: serious question
October 29, 2014 at 6:15 pm
Who says we only only live to get to heaven? We live to do God's will. I guess that it was God's will that I've been to Disneyland probably ten times. Gotta get to Disney World someday. I agree with the OP that if people live the way he says they do, it's pretty bad.
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RE: serious question
October 30, 2014 at 10:20 am
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(October 29, 2014 at 6:15 pm)Lek Wrote: Who says we only only live to get to heaven? We live to do God's will. I guess that it was God's will that I've been to Disneyland probably ten times. Gotta get to Disney World someday.
How can one live to do God's will if both God and Its will are undefined? If God is an infinitely powerful and knowledgeable being, then all actions and events are within Its will since It created the initial conditions from which all changes necessarily follow. To say something occurred outside of Its will is to suggest that God is not the sole author of creation, that there are a plurality of (human) wills that can actually rule over It.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: serious question
October 30, 2014 at 11:01 am
Excellent point Pickup.
To add, the Christian god tells us we are inherently and unavoidably sinful. We can't help it. We can't change. It is only by undeserved grace that we are saved.
Since "sin" is defined as NOT doing Yahweh's will, then this means any mission by a Christian to do his will is doomed to failure.
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RE: serious question
October 30, 2014 at 8:21 pm
(October 30, 2014 at 8:03 pm)Lek Wrote: Saying that we're sinful doesn't mean that everything we do is sin.
I seem to remember a passage about how all our
best deeds are as filthy rags.
Seems like everything we do to me. If even at our best we fall short, what other conclusion can you draw?
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