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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 17, 2014 at 12:25 pm
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(November 17, 2014 at 10:23 am)Drich Wrote: Where can knoweledge of Hell be sourced? Only the bible can provide such knowledge/or verify it. Why.....and how? If the bible were the only place that hell existed this might be true...but something tells me that you don't think that hell is confined to the page.
Quote: The catholic version of hell has it's roots in various religions it has assimilated over the centuries.
Yeah, and your version of hell is based on theirs, in case you were unaware.
Quote:The biblical version is not so elobrate, with different levels of hell and or puratory where the devil rules the realm. All those elements were borrowed from the greeks, pagans and roman mythology.
The OT version isn't "so elaborate". The NT version -is-. Far as I can tell from your various posts on the subject, you don't subscribe to the OT version of hell. You're an NT man, a christian, eh?
Quote:If you want to talk about the God of the Bible or the Hell of the bible then it is to the bible we must turn to for reference.
Which bible, which version, in what timeframe? Again, this might be true if hell were confined to the page......
Also, massive bullshit Drich. Did you get your info about hell from the bible alone (any version)? I seem to recall you claiming to have had an experience of sorts.......?
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 17, 2014 at 12:40 pm
(November 17, 2014 at 2:57 am)Godschild Wrote: sin that is not forgiven will last for eternity because the sin is against the eternal God.
Then the answer is blindingly simple, isn't it?
Remove the god and you remove the sin.
This god, were it to exist, must be a perfect idiot not to realise that the highest act of love towards its creation would be its own extinction, to eliminate the poison of its effect on the humans it professes to wish to save.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 17, 2014 at 2:11 pm
(November 17, 2014 at 10:23 am)Drich Wrote: Where can knoweledge of Hell be sourced? Only the bible can provide such knowledge/or verify it. The catholic version of hell has it's roots in various religions it has assimilated over the centuries. The biblical version is not so elobrate, with different levels of hell and or puratory where the devil rules the realm. All those elements were borrowed from the greeks, pagans and roman mythology.
If you want to talk about the God of the Bible or the Hell of the bible then it is to the bible we must turn to for reference.
It's still just your word against theirs, they read the same bible as you and they win on the numbers. If you are all drawing such different conclusions from the source you're telling me to look at, you must see why I require more than just that one source to believe that your (or any individual) interpretation is more accurate than any other.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 17, 2014 at 2:29 pm
(November 17, 2014 at 2:11 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: (November 17, 2014 at 10:23 am)Drich Wrote: Where can knoweledge of Hell be sourced? Only the bible can provide such knowledge/or verify it. The catholic version of hell has it's roots in various religions it has assimilated over the centuries. The biblical version is not so elobrate, with different levels of hell and or puratory where the devil rules the realm. All those elements were borrowed from the greeks, pagans and roman mythology.
If you want to talk about the God of the Bible or the Hell of the bible then it is to the bible we must turn to for reference.
It's still just your word against theirs, they read the same bible as you and they win on the numbers. If you are all drawing such different conclusions from the source you're telling me to look at, you must see why I require more than just that one source to believe that your (or any individual) interpretation is more accurate than any other.
Um no, it is not his word against theirs. The third option is that all of it is made up his and theirs.
Motifs of divine reward and divine punishment existed in polytheism and monotheism. This was a result of human gap filling and flawed perceptions. Back then the ruling classes in both viewed their fortunes and misfortunes as coming from a higher power. Getting stuck on details does not change that.
Humans even today in monotheism and polytheism have various superstitions to explain why good and bad happen. Even "Karma" is a superstition that claims your prior life and next life are part of a reward punishment motif. Even to the point in some sects that buy that, that if a kid is born with a birth defect the "karma" is deserved to the point that natural birth defect will be treated as a punishment.
This religion says this, and that religion says that, does not change that those flawed perceptions, regardless of detail, are primitive ways to explain our real behavior of child regulation from parents.
It still amounts to superstition in trying to explain why good and bad happen.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 17, 2014 at 2:39 pm
Drich is well aware that I don't regard the Bible as anything but emergency rolling papers. I'm trying to play within his rules, though, and I know how he tries to justify his Biblical claims against a skeptic. I want to see how he justifies his interpretation against others of his own religion.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 17, 2014 at 3:01 pm
(November 17, 2014 at 12:40 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (November 17, 2014 at 2:57 am)Godschild Wrote: sin that is not forgiven will last for eternity because the sin is against the eternal God.
Then the answer is blindingly simple, isn't it?
Yes it is, scripture has told us how simple it is.
Quote:Remove the god and you remove the sin.
How do you remove the God that's eternal, one with no rival?
Quote:This god, were it to exist, must be a perfect idiot not to realise that the highest act of love towards its creation would be its own extinction, to eliminate the poison of its effect on the humans it professes to wish to save.
God did sacrifice His life so that everyone could be saved, however that salvation couldn't come without His resurrection. All men die and only an omnipotent God can call us to life, saved because of His love for us.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 17, 2014 at 3:03 pm
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(November 17, 2014 at 3:01 pm)Godschild Wrote: All men die Why? Again, remove the god........
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 17, 2014 at 3:03 pm
(November 17, 2014 at 3:01 pm)Godschild Wrote: All men die and only an omnipotent God can call us to life, saved because of His love for us.
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If men are saved because God loves us, what about the men that are sent to Hell, does God not love them?
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 17, 2014 at 3:04 pm
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GC, If you don't actually have anything to contribute to this thread, kindly release your diarrhea somewhere else.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 17, 2014 at 3:05 pm
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(November 17, 2014 at 9:40 am)dyresand Wrote: (November 17, 2014 at 2:57 am)Godschild Wrote: The eternal punishment is justified. The punishment comes to those who have unforgiven sin, sin that is not forgiven will last for eternity because the sin is against the eternal God. So leave this life with sin and there's no chance of repentance, no repentance, no forgiveness, no forgiveness means the sin last for eternity and the eternal punishment is justified because of the never ending sin. If you have unforgiven sin in your life you can not worship a holy and eternal God, so one's downfall comes before the "not worshiping God" thing so many of you think gets you sent to hell, you're headed that way even before you don't worship.
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Yeah.....no.... you only live a finite life so why get punished forever. well i posted a video up about hell it was made up. so lets see angry god would be waiting for you because you just cant throw out the OT. Sin is made up even if it was real no one should ever go to hell for a eternity for something they did with their finite lives. and lastly whats so good worshiping god in heaven you do it here on earth as a mortal being isn't that good enough.
You didn't even read what I posted, if you don't read it why post your nonsense.
GC
(November 17, 2014 at 9:30 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: (November 17, 2014 at 2:57 am)Godschild Wrote:
The fact that you think it's appropriate is not evidence of its innate morality, it's only evidence of your Stockholm Syndrome.
I gave the facts from scripture, go argue with them.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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