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Do We Need Laws?
#1
Do We Need Laws?
Some time ago one of our precious theists told us that we are indebted to the Mosaic Law for a decent, civil society. In response a couple of our brightest atheist informed him that they didn’t need laws for they are good at heart and wouldn’t hurt a flea even if there were no law against such.

Now while I concur completely with the idea that we owe nothing to the Mosaic Law, a Johnny-come-lately up-start as far as civility is concerned, I question the idea that we don’t need any sort of law.

Any individual may not need a law telling them not to kill, steal or destroy, but if there were no laws for anyone, how will we keep others from doing such things to us. Granted, the United States has more laws and more people in some kind of custody than any other nation, so it would seem that the laws don’t keep people from doing anything they want to do. But, and that’s a big BUT, how will we redress actions done against us if there are no laws making those actions a punishable crime? Without laws, people will resort to family feuds and banditry. Am I saying that humans are basically bad? No I think humans are basically good. I think that a system of anarchy could work for a year or two, until somebody decides to get greedy. Until somebody decides that might makes right. Then there will be the domino effect with those who can exacting their own justice and those who can’t either banding together or just being helpless victims.

We see this in the inner city. When the crime rate drops, the politicians start saying oh we don’t need all these police. To save their jobs, the cops start under policing areas, allowing and maybe even encouraging crime to soar. Then the people start begging for Marshall Dillon to come in and shoot first ask questions later.

There have to be laws and there has to be the just application and enforcement of those laws.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

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#2
RE: Do We Need Laws?
If we didn't have laws, I'd either be out of work or overworked. I can't tell which. Either way, I say we keep 'em. ... Some of them.
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RE: Do We Need Laws?
Saying you don't need laws to be moral is certainly not the same as saying there should be no laws. A basic understanding of human behavior and a little bit of historical knowledge is all it takes to know that's an absolutely absurd idea, so I doubt there are relatively too many people that actually advocate such a thing.

And I have to disagree with you on humans being basically good. I think it's more of a 50/50 split.
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#4
RE: Do We Need Laws?
If there were suddenly no laws, I don't think I'd change anything from how I behave now. How many people that's the case for, I'm not sure. It would be amazing if one day laws weren't needed, but I don't think that day has come. I'm not sure it ever will.
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#5
RE: Do We Need Laws?
People are flawed so we certainly need laws and unfortunately, law-enforcement. And certainly, civilization owes no debt to the character who taught us not to covet our neighbor's ass.
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#6
RE: Do We Need Laws?
Of course laws are needed for a functioning society.

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#7
RE: Do We Need Laws?
(July 22, 2015 at 10:19 am)AFTT47 Wrote: People are flawed so we certainly need laws and unfortunately, law-enforcement. And certainly, civilization owes no debt to the character who taught us not to covet our neighbor's ass.
Right! I shouldn't go to jail just because I live in the same neighborhood with a guy who has a cute ass.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire

Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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#8
Do We Need Laws?
Basic laws - Yes
A law for everything- No
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#9
RE: Do We Need Laws?
We need laws. The type and amount should/is determined by the society. What is sorely lacking is the equality of enforcement.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#10
RE: Do We Need Laws?
Yes...because far too many people are asswipes.
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