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Empirical Evidence for Multiverse
#81
RE: Empirical Evidence for Multiverse
(December 10, 2015 at 10:04 am)ChadWooters Wrote:
(October 16, 2015 at 9:52 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: It's not a theory, it's a hypothesis. Actually a group of hypotheses. Like all valid hypotheses, they attempt to explain observations in a way that is at least potentially testable
That was my point in the OP. By their very nature, Multiverse theories exclude that possibility.

(December 10, 2015 at 10:11 am)Quantum Wrote: By their very nature? Really!

I always thought so, at least if we accept that the (our) universe is expanding at a rate which rules out ever contracting.  It is hard to imagine how an adjoining-verse would ever intrude upon our own in a way that would be perceptible from our perspective or conclusively inferable from anything we can detect.  But then I always was a pessimist.

On a separate point, Quantum, don't you doubt the idea that every cell of a multiverse may behave according to laws/patterns that may vary randomly between cells?  It seems to me more likely that whatever underlying substrate gives rise to cells would be common and behave homogeneously, with any variation being accounted for by the rules of organizing principles of the mega-verse .. which we simply don't know.
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#82
RE: Empirical Evidence for Multiverse
(December 10, 2015 at 1:53 pm)Amine Wrote:
(December 10, 2015 at 1:48 pm)Irrational Wrote: So what testable predictions does MWI make that other quantum world interpretations do not? That article just dodges the question rather than provide a satisfactory answer. I don't care about "old" and "new" predictions, I just want to know about the unique predictions for each interpretation.

Don't get me wrong: I think MWI is logically the most reasonable interpretation of the quantum world thus far, but I still don't see how it is testable.

Testable predictions of MWI? Interference for one. Some details here: http://lesswrong.com/lw/pd/configuration...amplitude/

But I would also look at the Carroll and Deutsch links I posted above.

I said unique. Interference is predicted by others as well.

Let me rephrase it another way: what tests or experiments would you conduct to show that MWI is the true interpretation?
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#83
RE: Empirical Evidence for Multiverse
(December 10, 2015 at 2:08 pm)Irrational Wrote: I said unique. Interference is predicted by others as well.

Let me rephrase it another way: what tests or experiments would you conduct to show that MWI is the true interpretation?

Is it? Honestly I'm not an expert, but it seems more like interference is observed in other interpretations but explained in many worlds (without contradiction or magic). From what I understand it is kind of like creationism saying fossils could have been placed there by God or could be artifacts of our minds or something like that.
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#84
RE: Empirical Evidence for Multiverse
MWI makes no predictions that the pragmatic copenhagen prescription doesn't also make. I just find it plausible because it is so simple in a way.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#85
RE: Empirical Evidence for Multiverse
(December 10, 2015 at 2:22 pm)Quantum Wrote: MWI makes no predictions that the pragmatic copenhagen prescription doesn't also make.

Doesn't the Copenhagen interpretation actually add extra to the theory--namely entirely separate physics dealing with observation? Why and how does the wavefunction collapse?
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#86
RE: Empirical Evidence for Multiverse
Yes, exactly. And it does not explain what happens to a physical system, it only tells you the (probabilities of) outcomes. That's why it is so unsatisfactory philosophically.

The schroedinger equation already automatically gives you many worlds in your wave function. Copenhagen then contains an artificial prescription how to discard all but one of them as soon as the - somewhat arbitrarily chosen - observer is affected.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#87
RE: Empirical Evidence for Multiverse
Just now noticed that today's post on my favorite webcomic is rather germane:

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How will we know, when the morning comes, we are still human? - 2D

Don't worry, my friend.  If this be the end, then so shall it be.
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#88
RE: Empirical Evidence for Multiverse
Geordi Rose of D-Wave explains here how quantum computers use decoherence and interference to outsource computation to other universes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqN_2jDVbOU

Pretty awesome stuff.
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#89
RE: Empirical Evidence for Multiverse
Everything consists of waves. Particles do not exist in a physical sense. They are but an intersection of alternate probabilities or "universes".
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson

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-- Superintendent Chalmers

Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders

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