How honest should parents be?

[Excited Penguin]

Although I'm not entirely sure we're on the same page. It's a very complex issue to talk about. I would definitely say I'd be for regulating reproduction in certain scenarios, but it can get subtler than that when you talk about others.

I have no problem with regulation of reproduction.

Yes, but how would you go about enforcing it is the real problem. And how far would you go if it simply had to be done, no matter what? That's what makes people touchy about it. But that's a topic for another thread that I think one of us should author, yes?

[paulpablo]

I as a person lack nuance or my argument lacks it or are you saying I can't see the nuance in your argument?

All I did was ask two simple questions what does that have to do with my personal nuances?

If you say something then I ask about what you just said then we aren't talking past each other I can guarantee it.

You asked. I answered. You didn't get it. Not much more I can do either than that.

You didn't answer.  You said I lack nuance therefore you can't have the conversation with me.  Then I asked if I lack nuance as a person or is it my argument, because I can't see how me lacking nuance as a person has anything to do with this argument.

You seem to lack nuance when it suits you. Or maybe you just lack it, end of story. Either way, I couldn't possibly have this conversation if we're going to talk past each other. So might as well end it right here.

[Excited Penguin]

You asked. I answered. You didn't get it. Not much more I can do either than that.

You didn't answer.  You said I lack nuance therefore you can't have the conversation with me.

Once again, you failed to understand me. That was obvious from your subsequent response. And I did answer you.

I would help you out if I could, but I can't. We either understand each other or we don't. No use in continuing what is sure to devolve into a disaster.

[Foxaèr]

Yes, but how would you go about enforcing it is the real problem. And how far would you go if it simply had to be done, no matter what?

Well, China, I think, has the two child policy, and that would be a good place to start.

[paulpablo]

You didn't answer.  You said I lack nuance therefore you can't have the conversation with me.

Once again, you failed to understand me. That was obvious from your subsequent response. And I did answer you.

I would help you out if I could, but I can't. We either understand each other or we don't. No use in continuing what is sure to devolve into a disaster.

No the questions where why were you speaking about safe environments and why do you think someone means the exact opposite of what they say.
I just pasted your response in my previous post, which was to say I lack nuance and that we shouldn't continue the conversation.  No answers were given by you.
If you continue to not make sense I will just stop having a conversation with you though.

[Excited Penguin]

Once again, you failed to understand me. That was obvious from your subsequent response. And I did answer you.

I would help you out if I could, but I can't. We either understand each other or we don't. No use in continuing what is sure to devolve into a disaster.

No the questions where why were you speaking about safe environments and why do you think someone means the exact opposite of what they say.
I just pasted your response in my previous post, which was to say I lack nuance and that we shouldn't continue the conversation.  No answers were given by you.
If you continue to not make sense I will just stop having a conversation with you though.

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That made it clear to me you simply failed to understand me and I wouldn't know what to do to remedy that problem for you. I'm not about to go through every single word I said to see which one's meaning escaped you in order to teach you linguistic efficiency. You'll have to go back and read everything I said until you get it, because you clearly misunderstood me at some point. And I'm not about to assume what you did understand instead as that usually prompts remarks about my not making any sense, strawmanning, misleading, insulting, and so on.

[Thumpalumpacus]

That's neither here nor there.

Your (lack of) experience in raising children is very pertinent. Only an idiot would release his or her child into the world without preparing them for even rare potentialities that carry such horrific consequences. Statistically speaking, being killed by an auto running you over is relatively rare, yet we still teach children to look both ways. We don't have to traumatize them to do that, either. You don't have to fill children with fear to do that, as any parent with natural empathy understands.

Quoth Mark Twain, "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

[Thumpalumpacus]

 
 it's impossible to always keep an eye on your children. It would mean following them for the first 12 years of their life, It's common for children of 11 or 12 to take public transport on their own and be miles away from parents and go where they want.

Thena said she told her kids precisely what happens (without being too graphic) about what happens when children are kidnapped.

So now you're saying well that might be over doing it because it might be too graphic, well she specifically said she explained it without being too graphic.

So you're arguing about something which was specifically already dealt with in the first post which you were replying to.

If you can't afford to bring up your kids in a safe environment you shouldn't have them to begin with. Otherwise you're just risking them dying because of your own negligence and to make things worse, fucking them up in the process of trying to get around that.

Statistics matter. Where you live matters. The crime rate matters. Your own means matter. All of these things matter when planning to have and raise a child.

The way she said it implied she was graphic, so graphic even as to feel the need to point out she was not too graphic, which seems graphic enough to raise concerns. Is there anything else?

Yes: Your points have been considered by people who actually have raised children, and found lacking. The problem is that you're so wedded to your own view that you're unwilling to consider the possibility that you might be wrong. That marks you as a second-rate thinker who doesn't merit the attention that has been lavished on your puerile and uninformed views.

Good night.

[paulpablo]

No the questions where why were you speaking about safe environments and why do you think someone means the exact opposite of what they say.
I just pasted your response in my previous post, which was to say I lack nuance and that we shouldn't continue the conversation.  No answers were given by you.
If you continue to not make sense I will just stop having a conversation with you though.

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That made it clear to me you simply failed to understand me and I wouldn't know what to do to remedy that problem for you. I'm not about to go through every single word I said to see which one's meaning escaped you in order to teach you linguistic efficiency. You'll have to go back and read everything I said until you get it, because you clearly misunderstood me at some point. And I'm not about to assume what you did understand instead as that usually prompts remarks about my not making any sense, strawmanning, misleading, insulting, and so on.

There is nothing in my post which shows a lack of understanding.

Why did you mention safe environments? 

You did mention safe environments didn't you?  So I didn't misunderstand that.

Thena said she wasn't too graphic when talking about what happens when children are kidnapped sometimes and so you took that to mean the opposite, that it must have been too graphic.

The opposite meaning to the term not too graphic would be too graphic, so there's no misunderstanding there.

You don't have to go over everything I've said or that you've said it really is just these two things I was asking you to explain.

  It is the most annoying cop out to end an argument with "Well I just can't be bothered to lower myself to teach you why I'm right and you're wrong sorry."

Just two simple questions.

[Excited Penguin]

How amusing.