RE: I'm a theist. So why can't I bring myself to believe in the religious horseshit?
February 7, 2016 at 2:00 am
It's kind of impossible for everything to come from something, that would mean there's an infinite regress of causality......
I'm a theist. So why can't I bring myself to believe in the religious horseshit?
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RE: I'm a theist. So why can't I bring myself to believe in the religious horseshit?
February 7, 2016 at 2:00 am
It's kind of impossible for everything to come from something, that would mean there's an infinite regress of causality......
RE: I'm a theist. So why can't I bring myself to believe in the religious horseshit?
February 7, 2016 at 2:10 am
What the argument is really saying is that everything had to emerge from an everything that was different from everything.
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RE: I'm a theist. So why can't I bring myself to believe in the religious horseshit?
February 7, 2016 at 2:30 am
Yeah and that's bullshit
RE: I'm a theist. So why can't I bring myself to believe in the religious horseshit?
February 7, 2016 at 2:33 am
They fail (or refuse) to understand that something HAS TO come from nothing, it doesn't make sense otherwise.
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RE: I'm a theist. So why can't I bring myself to believe in the religious horseshit?
February 7, 2016 at 2:54 am
Huh? Nothing can come from nothing.
Existence has always existed, before the big bang there was something. Existence is eternal, point is the first cause is not God, it's just existence... existence developed and then there was the big bang (which was just more of existence inflating) and the universe was born. RE: I'm a theist. So why can't I bring myself to believe in the religious horseshit?
February 7, 2016 at 2:56 am
Lawrence Kraus talks of a universe from nothing but then what he describes as "nothing" is something.
It's like how "empty space" in quantum mechanics is teeming with activity (and hence technically isn't really "empty") and how atoms can be broken down into smaller parts when the original definition of an atom means it can't be broken down. RE: I'm a theist. So why can't I bring myself to believe in the religious horseshit?
February 7, 2016 at 3:22 am
(This post was last modified: February 7, 2016 at 3:29 am by ApeNotKillApe.)
Nothing is the absence of physical law, it is chaos, and with chaos, anything can happen. A functional universe capable of producing conscious life can form without pre-existing laws to guide it's formation.
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RE: I'm a theist. So why can't I bring myself to believe in the religious horseshit?
February 7, 2016 at 4:40 am
(This post was last modified: February 7, 2016 at 4:40 am by robvalue.)
If everything must have a cause or "come from something", then we have infinite regression. That isn't necessarily impossible, just because we can't imagine such a thing. But it does rule out any hope of a big daddy being the final result.
If this is not the case, which seems far more likely based on scientific knowledge we already possess (some would say this is already known to be untrue) then there is no requirement for our reality to have "come from" anywhere. It could have always been, or it could have appeared for no reason at all. God is just a mental pacifier. It doesn't answer any questions, it just moves them all back a bit. Feel free to send me a private message.
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February 7, 2016 at 4:48 am
(February 6, 2016 at 11:56 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote:Ok jackass. Everything in the observable universe was formed from some other action. Those actions where set in motion by some sort of creative force. Only a fool with a very limited capacity for "free thought" would assume that just because the physical observable universe is bound by laws, that the creative force that bound the universe is too bound by it. If your little mind can't wrap itself around a thing being infinite or encompassing the observable universe then I'm sorry for ya. I don't have to know everything to know it all came from something else. Cause and effect dumb ass. And no, an initial cause doesn't have to have an initial effect. Name one thing that wasn't caused by something else. Any fucking child can resort to name calling and saying "did not". All it takes is lack of thought and selfish misplaced pride, so congratulations for having capacities similar to a toddler.(February 6, 2016 at 10:02 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: No it isn't. Everything came from something. Faith in selfless Unity for Good. RE: I'm a theist. So why can't I bring myself to believe in the religious horseshit?
February 7, 2016 at 4:50 am
(February 7, 2016 at 2:33 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: They fail (or refuse) to understand that something HAS TO come from nothing, it doesn't make sense otherwise.No, only nothing can come from nothing. The contrary is faulty logic. Nothing can never be or cause anything, because it's nothing... Faith in selfless Unity for Good. |
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