(August 8, 2015 at 7:50 pm)Javaman Wrote:

(August 7, 2015 at 6:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I later, in multiple other posts, added to this by saying that by "reproduction" we mean the actual conception... the actual joining of egg and sperm, which is the fixed point when a new human life begins.

Since we think human life is sacred, and thus the creation of human life is sacred, we believe it should remain guarded and protected in the confines of sexual intercourse. Remember, we also think sex is sacred. As is marriage, and as is the love between husband and wife. We think something as sacred as human life should come from a place that is equally as sacred - the lovemaking between husband and wife, where a human being can come into this world through love, literally.

We don't think masturbating into a jar and then having a stranger join sperm and egg together on a petri dish in a medical office, is the proper context for such a sacred thing as the beginning of new human life to take place.

Of course, none of this can even begin to make sense to you if you don't think human life is sacred, if you don't think sex is sacred, and if you don't think the love between husband and wife and marriage is sacred lol. But we do. So you have to see it through our lenses if you're genuinely trying to understand where we are coming from.

....And everyone else should be sick of reading this because I've already typed it out so many times lol. But I keep getting accused of not, and I keep getting asked the same questions, so that's why here it is, once again. My apologies lol.

Can you clarify just what you mean by the word sacred? Particularly with regards to the italicized part of your statement?

I can think of two possible meanings here. One, as a sort of general euphemism for thinking that human life is possibly the most precious thing we can imagine (colloquial usage). Or two, a word that has a specific and exclusive meaning to those who already believe Catholic doctrine is true.

You use the word sacred a lot, so I want to be sure I'm understanding you correctly here.

Sure. By sacred I mean coming from God and thus regarded with reverence.

The Ten Commandments can be summed up in that one word, sacred. Your life is sacred, your work is sacred, your time is sacred, family is sacred, marriage is sacred, your property is sacred and so is your neighbors.

(August 8, 2015 at 9:32 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: The Ten Commandments can be summed up in that one word, sacred. Your life is sacred, your work is sacred, your time is sacred, family is sacred, marriage is sacred, your property is sacred and so is your neighbors.

If Christians were actually Christian, the world would be a pretty good place.  But Christians are as lustful, gluttonous, and greedy as anyone else. . . and dishonest to boot.

You want sacred?  Wake up in the morning, see the sunrise, listen to the birds sing, watch your family sleeping in their beds.  That's sacred.  A schizophrenic Skydaddy fairy tale has nothing to do with any of the fundamental goodness we might care about.

(August 8, 2015 at 8:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Sure. By sacred I mean coming from God and thus regarded with reverence.

Satan comes from God. Should he be revered or not?

Kids? Fuck no, not whilst I can still get an erection just from whistling. I'm 21, a world I intend to conquer layeth at my feet, and I could quite easily go another 21 years before I even entertain the thought of squirting out a mini version of me with less bowel control.

(August 8, 2015 at 9:32 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: The Ten Commandments can be summed up in that one word, sacred. Your life is sacred, your work is sacred, your time is sacred, family is sacred, marriage is sacred, your property is sacred and so is your neighbors.

The ten commandments are from the old testament. I thought that particular set of nonsense no longer applied to Christians?

(August 8, 2015 at 9:50 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(August 8, 2015 at 9:32 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: The Ten Commandments can be summed up in that one word, sacred. Your life is sacred, your work is sacred, your time is sacred, family is sacred, marriage is sacred, your property is sacred and so is your neighbors.

If Christians were actually Christian, the world would be a pretty good place.  But Christians are as lustful, gluttonous, and greedy as anyone else. . . and dishonest to boot.

You want sacred?  Wake up in the morning, see the sunrise, listen to the birds sing, watch your family sleeping in their beds.  That's sacred.  A schizophrenic Skydaddy fairy tale has nothing to do with any of the fundamental goodness we might care about.

Benny as a Christian I wholeheartedly agree with you. The biggest problem with the Christian church are the people who call themselves Christian. They are arrogant, holier than thou, deceitful, fake etc. I've met only a few of what I would call real Christians who can be honest and say how they struggle through life just like everyone else and they are no better than anyone else.

I have quoted these a few times on this board already.

Gandhi: "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians."

St. Francis: "preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words"

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(August 8, 2015 at 10:00 pm)Iroscato Wrote:

(August 8, 2015 at 9:32 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: The Ten Commandments can be summed up in that one word, sacred. Your life is sacred, your work is sacred, your time is sacred, family is sacred, marriage is sacred, your property is sacred and so is your neighbors.

The ten commandments are from the old testament. I thought that particular set of nonsense no longer applied to Christians?

I personally have an issue with the phrasing "does not apply". While technically it is true that Christ fulfilled the law by living the sinless life and paying the price for sin for all mankind, that does not mean that we ignore the OT. The stories are there for a reason.

(August 8, 2015 at 9:50 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(August 8, 2015 at 9:32 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: The Ten Commandments can be summed up in that one word, sacred. Your life is sacred, your work is sacred, your time is sacred, family is sacred, marriage is sacred, your property is sacred and so is your neighbors.

If Christians were actually Christian, the world would be a pretty good place.  But Christians are as lustful, gluttonous, and greedy as anyone else. . . and dishonest to boot.

I agree with you that if everyone was a good Christian, the world would be a better place. But just like every other group of people, there are good seeds and bad seeds.

(August 8, 2015 at 9:50 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(August 8, 2015 at 9:32 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: The Ten Commandments can be summed up in that one word, sacred. Your life is sacred, your work is sacred, your time is sacred, family is sacred, marriage is sacred, your property is sacred and so is your neighbors.

You want sacred?  Wake up in the morning, see the sunrise, listen to the birds sing, watch your family sleeping in their beds.  That's sacred. 

You are correct, those things are also sacred.

(August 8, 2015 at 9:51 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(August 8, 2015 at 8:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Sure. By sacred I mean coming from God and thus regarded with reverence.

Satan comes from God.  Should he be revered or not?

No, because he chose to turn away from God completely.