(August 31, 2015 at 7:20 pm)IATIA Wrote: My interest was always in the afterlife in general.  What could possibly entertain one for an eternity?  Would not heaven eventually be hell anyway?

Let me answer that.

(August 31, 2015 at 7:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(August 31, 2015 at 7:44 pm)IATIA Wrote: All fine and dandy, but forever is a long long long long long looooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

Time being the key word. 

We can't imagine living without the concept of time, but I believe that will be the case in a whole other dimension.

Your buy-bull, OT or NT, does not describe heaven as a different dimension.

(August 31, 2015 at 8:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Here's what I think, and what has been explained to me. Since we were made to love and to be loved, existing completely devoid of that is a very miserable existence. Even if you are creating your own misery by refusing to humble yourself before it, you are still miserable. In this life you are able to distract yourself with money, or cars, or drugs, sex, etc... anything to fill the void. But when you don't have those things anymore, you're left alone with nothing but yourself and your feelings of hated. That's a whole other level of miserable, and that's Hell. 

In other words, you're sick (have a void inside you) and we (pick whichever denomination you like, they all do it) have the only cure (thing to fill the void).

They sold you snake oil.

(August 31, 2015 at 10:29 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(August 31, 2015 at 10:21 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: Thanks for actually answering, but then, I can turn that back to, why believe the bible? I feel I won’t get adequate answers though from previous conversations, because of the things in it that every human should disagree with. You know, the things like slavery, misogyny, and I’m sure you know the drill by now. Also, the 10 commandments should have, honor each other, instead of honor thy father and mother. So, it’s hard for me to accept those as authority, and hard for me to believe in the stories of the bible, and discredit all the other stories in other religions. It would be dishonest, because I have no reason to believe one over the other.

If we're supposed to follow every word of the bible, doe you wear polyester and cotton garments, GC?

Don't be an ass. (That's my job) You know full well that the OT laws for governing the ancient Hebrew theocracy do not apply in this dispensation.

(August 31, 2015 at 10:42 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(August 31, 2015 at 10:29 pm)Beccs Wrote: If we're supposed to follow every word of the bible, doe you wear polyester and cotton garments, GC?

Don't be an ass. (That's my job) You know full well that the OT laws for governing the ancient Hebrew theocracy do not apply in this dispensation.

I'm being a bitch.

Jesus DID, supposedly, say that he didn't come to change the laws.

I also note so many Christians who refer to sections from Leviticus - particularly against marriage equality - but are, somewhat conveniently, unaware of the other sections of Leviticus.

(August 31, 2015 at 10:21 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote:

(August 31, 2015 at 10:11 pm)Godschild Wrote:  
 This is why the Bible is the authority and not man made doctrine, belief in the scriptures as truth from the first word to the last is the only way to understand and make sense of God's plan.

GC

Thanks for actually answering, but then, I can turn that back to, why believe the bible? I feel I won’t get adequate answers though from previous conversations, because of the things in it that every human should disagree with. You know, the things like slavery, misogyny, and I’m sure you know the drill by now. Also, the 10 commandments should have, honor each other, instead of honor thy father and mother. So, it’s hard for me to accept those as authority, and hard for me to believe in the stories of the bible, and discredit all the other stories in other religions. It would be dishonest, because I have no reason to believe one over the other.

 The Bible is not a man made book/teachings, penned in man's hand yes but not man's teachings. What I said above really applies to those who want to know God or those who think they may want to find God.
 There are terrible things in the Bible, why, because though it's not a history book it is the history of man and his sinful desires that result in things not very pleasant. If a person doesn't start at the beginning of the Bible and see God as the loving God He is then one will manipulate the scriptures to suit their own desired beliefs. The Bible is like a fine tapestry, it's a woven work that has to be studied as a whole or it want make sense. Like a tapestry you pull out some of the threads and you will damage it, ie. it's meaning of truth. Just like the way you see the Ten commandments, you say they do not tell us to honor each other, I say you are pulling out threads to make an argument to reject them. I see them telling us to honor each other by, "You shall not murder." "You shall not commit adultery." "You shall not steal." "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." "You shall not covet anything your neighbor has." How are these things not honoring others, it's written all over them, unless you blind yourself to this truth. There is so much more about how the scriptures fit, but that would take many pages and no one read them anyway so I'll stop here because I believe it answers most of your question. Maybe not to your satisfaction but, it's the truth.

GC

(August 31, 2015 at 10:29 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(August 31, 2015 at 10:21 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: Thanks for actually answering, but then, I can turn that back to, why believe the bible? I feel I won’t get adequate answers though from previous conversations, because of the things in it that every human should disagree with. You know, the things like slavery, misogyny, and I’m sure you know the drill by now. Also, the 10 commandments should have, honor each other, instead of honor thy father and mother. So, it’s hard for me to accept those as authority, and hard for me to believe in the stories of the bible, and discredit all the other stories in other religions. It would be dishonest, because I have no reason to believe one over the other.

If we're supposed to follow every word of the bible, doe you wear polyester and cotton garments, GC?

If it pleases you go ahead, personally I like natural cotton, but do wear man made material as well. By the way if you want to live the OT laws for the Israelites be my guess, it will become what you are judged by. I like and eat many sea foods the Israelites weren't allowed to, I love rabbit, pork and other things the Israelites weren't suppose to eat, why, because those laws were not ever intended for the Gentiles. You're such a silly little girl.

GC

(August 31, 2015 at 10:45 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(August 31, 2015 at 10:42 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Don't be an ass. (That's my job) You know full well that the OT laws for governing the ancient Hebrew theocracy do not apply in this dispensation.

I'm being a bitch.

Jesus DID, supposedly, say that he didn't come to change the laws.

I also note so many Christians who refer to sections from Leviticus - particularly against marriage equality - but are, somewhat conveniently, unaware of the other sections of Leviticus.

 Yes you are! The reason Christians speak of being unequally yoked comes mainly from Paul's NT teachings.

GC

(August 31, 2015 at 11:02 pm)Godschild Wrote: The Bible is not a man made book/teachings, penned in man's hand yes but not man's teachings.

You keep telling yourself that GC. Wouldn't want you to start to doubt your faith. That would be truly frightening.

(August 31, 2015 at 11:16 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(August 31, 2015 at 11:02 pm)Godschild Wrote: The Bible is not a man made book/teachings, penned in man's hand yes but not man's teachings.

You keep telling yourself that GC. Wouldn't want you to start to doubt your faith. That would be truly frightening.

Which is why, of course, it's contradictory.