(November 4, 2010 at 1:34 pm)theophilus Wrote: If it is this difficult then do you think the editors would even bother to consider articles which disagree with their opinions? If someone presented evidence against evolution they would be more likely to reject it without even checking its validity.

Disagreement is not automatic grounds for a science conspiracy to lazily suppress knowledge from the public.

ID'ers love to shout that they are summarily dismissed just because scientists disagree with them and won't give them the time of day, yet they never manage to produce the articles that were 'rejected.'

We learn new shit every day and some scientist or other is bound to disagree with it. If things weren't validated despite personal opinions we wouldn't have any advancement. Scientists are also human, but I'd be willing to wager the ridiculously small amount of money I have in my bank account that not all of them have the middle school self-esteem or mindset that would cause them to reject a piece of information just because they disliked it. People do occasionally mature and work for the betterment of humanity and knowledge.

(November 4, 2010 at 1:34 pm)theophilus Wrote: [quote='Thor' pid='103461' dateline='1288878592']If there was a global flood of the magnitude you believe within the last 10,000 years, there would be archaeological and geological evidence. There is none.

Quote:John 12:28,29 says, [quote]Then a voice came from heaven: "I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again." The crowd that stood there and heard it said that it had thundered. Others said, "An angel has spoken to him."

And unsubstantiated bullshit written in an ancient book of unknown authorship is "evidence"..... how?

Quote:When God spoke with an audible voice not everyone understood it but interpreted it according to their beliefs.

Not letting you get away with this crap. What evidence backs up your assertion that "God spoke"?

Quote:Some thought that it was just thunder, a natural phenomenon, and not supernatural at all.

So "God's" voice can be confused with thunder? This makes no sense at all.

Quote:God has revealed himself through his creation but those who don't believe in him interpret the evidence to fit their preconceived ideas.

Oh, come on! It is YOU who has the preconceived idea! It is YOU who must "interpret evidence" to fit your ludicrous preconceived notion that the Noah's Ark kiddie fable is really true! And as proof I can just point to your next sentence...

Quote:The fossils are evidence of a global flood

What bullshit! How are fossils somehow "evidence" of a global flood? Please provide ONE reputable scientific source that posits this as a possibility.

Quote:but those who refuse to believe in the flood interpret them as evidence of evolution.

If there was evidence of a worldwide flood taking place in the past 10,000 years, scientists would say so! Unlike believers who are desperate for "proof" of their Biblical fairy tales, scientists have no such agenda.

(November 4, 2010 at 1:14 pm)Sam Wrote: [quote='Loki_999' pid='103447' dateline='1288867674']
Slightly on-topic, just read something interesting in an article (not published yet) where some Russian scientists have linked (they say proved... we will have to wait and see on that) the mass extinction events with the periodic magnetic polar inversions.

If right, it will give a partial reason... but why would this happen i have no idea, unless the reversal of the poles sends creatures mad. Still, we don't need to worry, the next one is not scheduled for something like another 80-100 million years...

Unless you are a god-botherer in which case you probably believe that the earth will not be around for that long because Gawd will end the world long before then.... for some evil reason that his worshippers think will be their reward. Go figure.

I've seen quite a few references to the coincidence of magnetic field inversions and Mass Extinction Events in the literature. I'm not sure in this case but many studies tend to link these reversals with periods of increased volcanic activty (related to the controversial issue of mantle plumes), or more specifically the occurence of Large Igneous Provinces such as the Siberian & Deccan Traps.

Very interesting area of the geosciences right now.

Sam


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There have been published reports linking volcanic trends with magnetic reversals. As far as I know, none are unambiguously linked. As for when the next reversal will occur, they usually occur every several hundred thouand years or so. My understanding is that we may be overdue for the next one.

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(November 4, 2010 at 1:34 pm)theophilus Wrote: [quote='orogenicman' pid='103400' dateline='1288833629']I might add that if you knew anything about publishing in such journals, then you would know how difficult it is to acheive publication regardless of your background. Even the most respected paleontologists have to wade through the backlog, and convince the peer reviewers of the validity of their arguments.

Quote:If it is this difficult then do you think the editors would even bother to consider articles which disagree with their opinions? If someone presented evidence against evolution they would be more likely to reject it without even checking its validity.

Personal opinion is not what drive the peer process. My first paper took 7 years to get published for several reasons:

1) We were describing 8 new fossil species and redescribing 4 previously discovered ones for which more information was available. It takes time to reach the amount of certainty required to ensure that they are, indeed, new species, and can then be published as such.

2) Once that review was completed, we had to go through the normal review process involving such mundane things as wording, spell checks, etc.

3) Once that was done, then we were put on a list of reports awaiting final publication. That list is usually rather long.

Quote:Secondly, your argument that the biblical "kinds" of animals included on Noah's ark refer to the Linean "family" classification is simply ludicrous since it assumes that tribal peoples of the Middle East some 4,000 years ago had any concept of such a classification,

God guided the choice of animals and he certainly knew how to classify them because he was the one who created them in the first place.

This is a convenient (and rather lazy) explanation, and doesn't explain the fact that there is no geologic evidence that such a global flood ever occurred.

Megnetic reversal normally happens once every few hundred thousand years without correlation to extinction i know of. But Looking at a time-polarity plot of the earth's magnetic field, there seems to be anomalous periods where the polarity magnetic fields remain unchanging for tens of millions of years. One seem to last 40 million years in upper Cretaceous starting roughly with the emplacements of Ontong Java Igneous province, another seems to last 50 million years right through the emplacements of Emaishan trap, but ending roughly when Siberian traps were emplaced. However there seems to be no such period clearly associated with emplacements of Deccan trap or Columbia River trap. So on first glance I might say the coincidence between emplacements of LIP and long periods of anomalous polar stability is accidental. Orogenicman?

(November 5, 2010 at 12:20 am)Chuck Wrote: Megnetic reversal normally happens once every few hundred thousand years without correlation to extinction i know of. But Looking at a time-polarity plot of the earth's magnetic field, there seems to be anomalous periods where the polarity magnetic fields remain unchanging for tens of millions of years. One seem to last 40 million years in upper Cretaceous starting roughly with the emplacements of Ontong Java Igneous province, another seems to last 50 million years right through the emplacements of Emaishan trap, but ending roughly when Siberian traps were emplaced. However there seems to be no such period clearly associated with emplacements of Deccan trap or Columbia River trap. So on first glance I might say the coincidence between emplacements of LIP and long periods of anomalous polar stability is accidental. Orogenicman?

Here is a link to the geologic timescale that includes magnetic reversals that the GSA has produced:

http://www.geosociety.org/science/timescale/timescl.pdf

While admittedly, this is not my area of expertize, I'd say any link between the two are purely incidental. Having said that, there are supporters:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob...archtype=a

http://books.google.com/books?id=JaV8V8m...es&f=false

(November 3, 2010 at 6:41 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Seriously? So since all software uses binary code then all computers must have evolved from a common ancestor?

Cough..Collossus....Cough

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer


The Colossus machines were electronic computing devices used by British codebreakers to help read encrypted German messages during World War II. These were the world's first programmable, digital, electronic, computing devices. They used vacuum tubes (thermionic valves) to perform the calculations.

(November 10, 2010 at 3:30 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(November 3, 2010 at 6:41 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Seriously? So since all software uses binary code then all computers must have evolved from a common ancestor?

Cough..Collossus....Cough

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer


The Colossus machines were electronic computing devices used by British codebreakers to help read encrypted German messages during World War II. These were the world's first programmable, digital, electronic, computing devices. They used vacuum tubes (thermionic valves) to perform the calculations.

I would argue that Charles Babbage's Difference engine precedes that by far. You haven't lived if you haven't seen this awesome machine in operation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Difference_engine

Some peoples minds are so firmly entrenched in the iron age that to them, science, logic and reason are the work of the devil!

Quote:There are no reputable scientists who support an Old Earth." There I just did it.

Yes...and made an even bigger ass out of yourself in the process!