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Religion's affect outside of religion
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RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
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#32
RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
(September 22, 2015 at 1:58 pm)Drich Wrote: And don't forget you are a noob atheist who has come to the Christianity portion of the site to discuss this specific religion.
What has that got to do with any of your BS 'arguments'? Who cares if he's new here, you don't know his background before coming here do you? You demonstrate repeated signs that you think the older or more experienced you are actually counts for something. Well it doesn't drippy, 50 years studying a single book and swatting the rest away leads to fuck all.
50 years as a Theologian is 50 years wasted, it climaxes in an individual stating that his personal interpretation is better than anyone elses, the younger ones must learn from me. Bullshit upon bullshit upon bullshit. You are a prime example of the ultimate man made virus. Nothing more, nothing less.
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#33
RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
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Forget it.  I don't mind conceding on the dictionary thing,

but I was going to share my personal experience of god with you
because I was interested in your feedback on it,
but it's rapidly becoming clear to me that would be a mistake.
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#34
RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
(September 22, 2015 at 2:48 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote:
(September 22, 2015 at 1:58 pm)Drich Wrote: And don't forget you are a noob atheist who has come to the Christianity portion of the site to discuss this specific religion.
What has that got to do with any of your BS 'arguments'? Who cares if he's new here, you don't know his background before coming here do you? You demonstrate repeated signs that you think the older or more experienced you are actually counts for something. Well it doesn't drippy, 50 years studying a single book and swatting the rest away leads to fuck all.
50 years as a Theologian is 50 years wasted, it climaxes in an individual stating that his personal interpretation is better than anyone elses, the younger ones must learn from me. Bullshit upon bullshit upon bullshit. You are a prime example of the ultimate man made virus. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks Tubby.  You're right, a lot of assumptions made about my background.

For the record:

I am a 39 year old female.

I was raised in a devout Christian home and studied the entire New Testament COMPETITIVELY
in our church youth group, for years.  We competed against other churches, thousands of other youth.
Our church frequently won, years in a row.
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#35
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(September 22, 2015 at 4:01 pm)MTL Wrote: I am a 39 year old female.

I was raised in a devout Christian home and studied the entire New Testament COMPETITIVELY
in our church youth group, for years.  We competed against other churches, thousands of other youth.
Our church frequently won, years in a row.

I did think afterwards I should edit my reply to 'he/she/it' but then I opened another beer and could'nt be bothered.
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#36
RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
(September 22, 2015 at 4:04 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote:
(September 22, 2015 at 4:01 pm)MTL Wrote: I am a 39 year old female.

I was raised in a devout Christian home and studied the entire New Testament COMPETITIVELY
in our church youth group, for years.  We competed against other churches, thousands of other youth.
Our church frequently won, years in a row.

I did think afterwards I should edit my reply to 'he/she/it' but then I opened another beer and could'nt be bothered.

it's fine, doesn't matter.  thanks again
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#37
RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
(September 20, 2015 at 12:55 am)MTL Wrote:
(September 20, 2015 at 12:46 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: I know religious folks who are pretty adept at compartmentalization.

oh yeah definitely.

I know an Engineer...and ENGINEER...an educated, clever, pragmatic man

...except he is also a born-again Baptist.

He thinks that big earthquake that hit Haiti in 2010 was a judgment,
because Haiti "sold its soul to the devil"
in exchange for its freedom.

Also, he plumes himself on being enlightened because he was raised with Catholicism
but escaped the lies of the Catholic Church in favour of the "truth" of the Baptist Church.

I also know another man like that....the two of them work together, as it happens...
but the second man was raised in a Baptist home,
and plumes himself on escaping the lies of the Baptist Church,
in favour of the "truth" of the LDS.

Talk about the fucking frying pan and the fire.

Next stop, Jonestown.
It is naive to assume someone who is deeply religious must also be really dumb - There certainly is a tendency (perhaps ignorance is a far better word to describe it) but let's not forget there are incredibly educated and smart terrorists planting bombs and committing suicide bombing, and clever, well educated intellectuals who support white supremacism and the whole white anglo saxon protestant thing
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
(September 22, 2015 at 4:28 pm)Dystopia Wrote: It is naive to assume someone who is deeply religious must also be really dumb - There certainly is a tendency (perhaps ignorance is a far better word to describe it) but let's not forget there are incredibly educated and smart terrorists planting bombs and committing suicide bombing, and clever, well educated intellectuals who support white supremacism and the whole white anglo saxon protestant thing

I agree with this. One of my first shocks into the facts of Islamic terrorism was to learn that a significant percent of the suicide bombers were highly educated: engineers and lawyers and architects, etc.  This datum blew me away (so to speak).

It's one of the reasons I loathe fundamentalist-type religious thinking. The corrupting power of that sort of religion on the mind is not a matter of mere ignorance, but of a twisting of normal thought processes until the absolutely insane becomes plausible to that individual.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost

I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.

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RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
(September 22, 2015 at 12:36 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:
(September 22, 2015 at 11:23 am)Godschild Wrote:  I see you're still bragging about yourself, and as far as that list I did not mention any on it, I said plainly these were people I knew.

GC

How is "I am a former evolutionary biologist and my fiancee, who is a devout Christian, still is one" bragging about myself?

You're going to sit here and try to tell me that you know  working, publishing biologists who are Creationists?

Listen thick headed dude, I said nothing about what type of scientist they were in either post, your reading things into posts to satisfy your own ego. Your bragging that you know more about the Bible than any other Christian and I'd bet there are some here who know much more. See.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
(September 22, 2015 at 5:48 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(September 22, 2015 at 12:36 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: How is "I am a former evolutionary biologist and my fiancee, who is a devout Christian, still is one" bragging about myself?

You're going to sit here and try to tell me that you know  working, publishing biologists who are Creationists?

Listen thick headed dude, I said nothing about what type of scientist they were in either post, your reading things into posts to satisfy your own ego. Your bragging that you know more about the Bible than any other Christian and I'd bet there are some here who know much more. See.

GC

No, you listen, "thick headed dude", only a biologist would be qualified to speak on the veracity of evolutionary biology. So I presumed they were biologists because I didn't want to presume that you'd be so dishonest as to cite (for instance) an engineer as an expert on evolution any more than I'd cite a biologist as an expert qualified to make statements about engineering.

Forgive me for offering you the benefit of the doubt. My mistake!

And since you're getting so harpy on what was and wasn't read into a post, for the sake of ego, let's be really fucking clear right now.

I didn't say "than any other Christian". I said "one of the only Christians I know who knows the Bible as well as I do". (Emphasis mine.)
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost

I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.

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