(October 1, 2015 at 12:27 am)Losty Wrote:

(October 1, 2015 at 12:22 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: Seems to be alot of dislike for him. Not sure why. He seems mild compared to what used to come on here.
Oh how I miss the loons.

Randy is just annoying and rude. Which wouldn't really matter if it wasn't for him constantly whining (or whinging if you prefer ) about other people being rude to him. Generally I just ignore him because he's not really that fun. I prefer the prof for crazy personally.

But I don't think most people here insult him because he's a Christian. Kp is a Christian and I really like him.

The feeling is mutual my dear I assure you.

(September 30, 2015 at 11:41 pm)Losty Wrote: When you add the word "you" in there it complicates things unnecessarily.

If a woman is a week before her due date and she has a catastrophic life event resulting in her believing it's best not to have the baby at all, I feel it would be ok to terminate at that point if that's what she thinks is best for herself and/or her family.  I don't think it should be illegal nor do I think it would be immoral for her to make such a choice. I believe that women are capable of deciding what is right for themselves and their potential children.

There is something to be said about potential repercussions of such a decision, as well as the procedure itself - both psychological and physical. I imagine there must be a huge difference between removing a few weeks/months old clump of cells and a developed and active organism, with which the mother have been living and forming a relationship over the past few months. 

As a depressive personality - I know there have been many situations, when I wasn't capable of making informed choices, let alone the "right" ones. Which leads me to believe, that it's perfectly possible for a pregnant woman to make a rushed decision, based on a skewed perception of reality, especially in a crisis - a decision which may haunt her for the rest of her life. I'm just not sure a week is anywhere near enough to provide adequate assessment of the situation and support. 

It has nothing to do with morality - just psychology.

(October 1, 2015 at 12:22 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: Seems to be alot of dislike for him. Not sure why. He seems mild compared to what used to come on here.
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Revelation 3:15-16

Quote:I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.

(October 1, 2015 at 12:44 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(September 30, 2015 at 11:41 pm)Losty Wrote: When you add the word "you" in there it complicates things unnecessarily.

If a woman is a week before her due date and she has a catastrophic life event resulting in her believing it's best not to have the baby at all, I feel it would be ok to terminate at that point if that's what she thinks is best for herself and/or her family.  I don't think it should be illegal nor do I think it would be immoral for her to make such a choice. I believe that women are capable of deciding what is right for themselves and their potential children.

There is something to be said about potential repercussions of such a decision, as well as the procedure itself both psychological and physical. I imagine there must be a huge difference between removing a few weeks/months old clump of cells and a developed and active organism, with which the mother have been living and forming a relationship over the past few months. 

As a depressive personality - I know there have been many situations, when I wasn't capable of making informed choices, let alone the "right" ones. Which leads me to believe, that it's perfectly possible for a pregnant woman to make a rushed decision, based on a skewed perception of reality, especially in a crisis - a decision which may haunt her for the rest of her life. I'm just not sure a week is anywhere near enough to provide adequate assessment of the situation and support. 

It has nothing to do with morality - just psychology.

The same could be said for getting a tattoo or giving all of your money to charity or quitting your job.

(October 1, 2015 at 12:27 am)Losty Wrote:

(October 1, 2015 at 12:22 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: Seems to be alot of dislike for him. Not sure why. He seems mild compared to what used to come on here.
Oh how I miss the loons.

Randy is just annoying and rude. Which wouldn't really matter if it wasn't for him constantly whining (or whinging if you prefer ) about other people being rude to him. Generally I just ignore him because he's not really that fun. I prefer the prof for crazy personally.

But I don't think most people here insult him because he's a Christian. Kp is a Christian and I really like him.

Other than Min and dyre, has anyone on here regularly insulted theists simply because they're theists?

(October 1, 2015 at 12:50 am)KevinM1 Wrote:

(October 1, 2015 at 12:27 am)Losty Wrote: Randy is just annoying and rude. Which wouldn't really matter if it wasn't for him constantly whining (or whinging if you prefer ) about other people being rude to him. Generally I just ignore him because he's not really that fun. I prefer the prof for crazy personally.

But I don't think most people here insult him because he's a Christian. Kp is a Christian and I really like him.

Other than Min and dyre, has anyone on here regularly insulted theists simply because they're theists?

Not that I can think of Kevin. And honestly Min an dyre don't really bother me though they tend to get under other theists skin and I think that fuels their passion

(October 1, 2015 at 12:49 am)Losty Wrote: The same could be said for getting a tattoo or giving all of your money to charity or quitting your job.

True. But you can usually get a tattoo removed, earn more money, or find a new job - or even beg your old boss to take you back. There might be no going back from late termination of a pregnancy, even if it seemed like the right choice at the time. And yes - I do think people should think for more than a week about all of those things anyway. Especially tattoos - they're usually horrible...

(September 30, 2015 at 11:21 pm)lkingpinl Wrote:

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(September 30, 2015 at 11:07 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Then let's assign circumstances and intent in that scenario. Let's make it as bad as possible-- far, far worse than the degree of culpability of simply following our sexual insticts, or experiencing a failure in our birth control.. 

Let's eliminate gender from the equation, so I'll use you and me as examples. 

Let's eliminate benefit of the doubt, and say that you did a truly amoral, immoral thing to me, and caused my kidneys to shut down. I, a fully grown adult, am lying there with my kidneys destroyed because you thought it was funny to swap antifreeze for my cough medicine. (Or whatever.) And now, here you are in jail for attempted murder, soon to be fully murder, and I'm lying in the hospital bed, slowly fading. You, it turns out, happen to have two healthy kidneys, and you are my only matching donor. 

Without one of your kidneys I will certainly die. Do we have the legal right to invade your body, take a kidney, and put it into me? Why or why not?

Ok, but again this is not the same thing.  Pregnancy in most cases is not life threatening to the mother or child.  Most cases, it's pretty straightforward process.  Plus, I've already said I don't think abortion should be illegal, because I do believe that scenarios exist where it is justified and/or necessary.  I'm also of the belief that no one should tell a woman what she should do with her body.  I'm trying to show that this choice doesn't just affect her body, but the body of the one living inside of her that is there of a choice she made herself.  And I've already stated my concern for the father's rights as well to that child and some of you have echoed your own disappointment in such a situation, but still respect the woman's choice.  That's fine.  

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Quote:I'm trying to understand in what scenarios people feel it is ok to terminate a pregnancy and why is it different at different stages?  If you can terminate in week 4, but not in week 30, why?  And if you argue you can terminate in week 30, why not a minute after birth?  If you decide you don't want the child, what's wrong with terminating at any stage?  Look I understand this isn't a light discussion and each case may be unique, so if we are going in circles, we can just leave it alone and move on

The time restrictions are mostly based on politics.  It was a way to allow and prohibit abortions at the same time.  It's a case of splitting the baby in half.

But the fact is that pregnancy does cause physical and emotional changes in a woman's brain, in effect changing her from what she was into a different person.  A woman's brain actually shrinks about 10 percent during pregnancy and the rebounds to its original size.  So in a way it's actually better for the woman to get an early abortion before her brain undergoes the resizing alteration.  And when the birthing process goes normally new mothers don't notice that her baby's shit stinks.  But she will notice that other babies shit stinks.  Of course men notice that all babies' shit stinks because their brains never undergo alteration.

(October 1, 2015 at 12:27 am)Losty Wrote:

(October 1, 2015 at 12:22 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: Seems to be alot of dislike for him. Not sure why. He seems mild compared to what used to come on here.
Oh how I miss the loons.

Randy is just annoying and rude. Which wouldn't really matter if it wasn't for him constantly whining (or whinging if you prefer ) about other people being rude to him. Generally I just ignore him because he's not really that fun. I prefer the prof for crazy personally.

But I don't think most people here insult him because he's a Christian. Kp is a Christian and I really like him.

I insult him not for his faith, but for his being a jackanape.

Quote:Not that I can think of Kevin. And honestly Min an dyre don't really bother me though they tend to get under other theists skin and I think that fuels their passion

Sssshhhhhh.