(September 22, 2015 at 1:34 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

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(September 22, 2015 at 1:32 am)Minimalist Wrote: That's pretty standard fare for all theists, isn't it Poke?


Nice photo, C/L.  I had to switch glasses to look at it.

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Quote:I agree it's a silly concept and that's why I don't believe only Christians go to Heaven, as I said on my OP. 

Thanks Min.

You're absolutely right about only Christians go to heaven.  That's because only Christians have heaven as their target.  Other religions have their own desired final destinations.  Muslims can actually go to a number of different paradises, each with its own special attributes.  Other people go to Nirvana, Valhalla, the happy hunting grounds, reincarnation, and other special places but they don't go to heaven.  Of course the Bible says that no one is going to heaven because the old one will be destroyed.  You might get into the golden cube called New Jerusalem but only if you're a member of one of the twelve tribes of Israel.  Now, since heaven will cease to exist Christians won't have any place to go to except the lake of fire.  Mormons evade that by saying that their good men folks get to be gods of their own special planets  and harems to churn out babies with.  So in the end no one will go to heaven.   

Hey, it's the way the stories are written so don't blame me!

I experienced a bit of hell today as most of the low channels were taken over by old frankie and his fancy hat, Luckily I have my books and the evening went better than expected.

A couple of conclusions seem inescapable. The doctrine of hell is essentially child abuse. The original post is a presentation justifying the doctrine of hell. It doesn't matter how many words one puts between the "official doctrine" and "my interpretation" to make oneself able to sleep at night, when one presents a justification of the doctrine of hell, one is enabling child abuse.

You know what Holy Spirit is? Christians around here seem pretty clueless about this essential ingredient of becoming Christian. You're not feeling it. I feel it. When anyone mentions hell in my presence, Holy Spirit in me wants to go old school prophet with alacrity, and color a rock with the gray of their brain matter. Do you know what it is like to stand before a person, holding the stone, feeling the cool surface, living the vibration of righteous indignation where you know with absolute certainty that despite the heinous nature of the act you are about to perform; nothing, no part of your being is hesitant to produce judgement? 

I devised a thought experiment during my prophet OTJ days that involved going up to random Christians and with the presence of Holy Spirit, looking into their eyes, and verily telling them "I will burn in hell for you." I needed to know in no uncertain terms that if I were to draft the religion of Gwynnite, no one's "immortal soul" would be thus endangered.

And they looked back with tangible loathing. 

Then I knew the meaning of the doctrine of hell was nothing more than a marketing ploy. A means for many Christians to maintain a sense of moral superiority based upon empty platitudes and meaningless ritual. Hell has nothing and can have nothing to do with god. It is patently fucking absurd. There is no "without god;" not in the absolute sense.

Holy Spirit is tao, the essence of motion; god is the spirit of creation. Holy Spirit is felt when it is necessary that it be felt. Good action does not need religion. God does not need identity. These are all absurdities brought forward the common sense of a senseless commons. People believe because their parents believe, because their friends believe; because we as humans have always believed. Until Holy Spirit speaks through a prophet. Religion in the past has helped societies preserve cohesion, has offered psychological comfort, has given groups of people a common focus and a common ground.

These punishment doctrines are perpetuated by people who feel powerless against a seemingly cruel entropic universe. They developed before a detailed understanding of psychology and the development of neuroscience illustrated the mechanics of mind. Things that can be described as "evil" are going to happen. Crimes are going to go unpunished. Justice is not always going to be served. God cannot stop this. Religion cannot stop this. What we can do is build the most educated, tolerant, scientifically literate society possible; and clinging to outmoded religious thought is not serving this goal.

This is hell. Let's get out of it. 

(September 22, 2015 at 9:14 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: Holy Spirit is tao, the essence of motion; god is the spirit of creation. Holy Spirit is felt when it is necessary that it be felt. Good action does not need religion. God does not need identity.

You're a thoughtful sonofabitch. I don't care what they say about you.

(August 31, 2015 at 7:16 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: However, what prompted me to write this post was all the talk and questions I see in regards to the belief in Hell. I've explained my views a little bit, by saying that 1. I don't believe Hell is a physical place, 2. I don't believe God "throws" people into Hell, and 3. I believe Hell is the state of being by an individual who has rejected goodness and love, thus rejecting God Himself (since I believe God is those things).

My wife has fairly unorthodox views on Hell. She's a big fan of Rob Bell's book Love Wins, which basically claims that Hell was a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem*, and that Jesus loved to use this metaphor because people would understand it. He claims that everyone goes to heaven, and "hell" is what you make of it (i.e. Hitler realizing that there are Jews and black people there). After enough time, everyone gets over their hangups.


* Of course, this is supported by one esoteric verse in Joshua and the writings of a 12th century rabbi. I don't think there's much else to back this claim.

(August 31, 2015 at 7:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The church doesn't like it when people make up their own rules.....

http://www.integratedcatholiclife.org/20...-and-hell/

That's why there are over a thousand different sects.

It's so fucking hilariously retarded how God is supposed to be so organised and have a fucking plan. He's supposed to be "acting in a mysterious way"

More like the cunt doesn't know what the fucking hell he is doing with the thousands and thousands of different sects and religions.

If he existed he would be SUCH an R-tard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXxzVuE_D1k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQTl2kN160g

(October 7, 2015 at 2:26 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: My wife has fairly unorthodox views on Hell. She's a big fan of Rob Bell's book Love Wins, which basically claims that Hell was a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem*, and that Jesus loved to use this metaphor because people would understand it. He claims that everyone goes to heaven, and "hell" is what you make of it (i.e. Hitler realizing that there are Jews and black people there). After enough time, everyone gets over their hangups.

Where do you think, hell comes from? Obviously from the Germanic goddess Hel and her domain. It's nearly the same word in German as well as english, so the connection is rather obvious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hel_%28location%29

I learn something every day............

(October 7, 2015 at 7:06 pm)abaris Wrote:

(October 7, 2015 at 2:26 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: My wife has fairly unorthodox views on Hell. She's a big fan of Rob Bell's book Love Wins, which basically claims that Hell was a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem*, and that Jesus loved to use this metaphor because people would understand it. He claims that everyone goes to heaven, and "hell" is what you make of it (i.e. Hitler realizing that there are Jews and black people there). After enough time, everyone gets over their hangups.

Where do you think, hell comes from? Obviously from the Germanic goddess Hel and her domain. It's nearly the same word in German as well as english, so the connection is rather obvious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hel_%28location%29

The Egyptians, Greeks, Zoroastrians, and Romans had hell before the Germans.  The Christian hell is almost a duplicate of the Zoroastrian hell.

Everyone gives hell a bad name 

What it looks like on the outside gates. It's just to scare you little christers


How it really is on the other side


god might have lied to you so um yeah