(October 8, 2015 at 1:34 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: whoever told you you had to submit or obey God to receive eternal life lied to you. its the exact opposite.[...]

Prove it, or you're the liar... Oh, that's right - you can't, because you are...

(October 8, 2015 at 1:35 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 1:34 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: whoever told you you had to submit or obey God to receive eternal life lied to you. its the exact opposite.[...]

Prove it, or you're the liar... Oh, that's right - you can't, because you are...

Prove what?

(October 8, 2015 at 1:41 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Prove what?

Prove that your version is correct and "whoever told you you had to submit or obey God to receive eternal life" - lied.

Keep up.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster loves you and wants you to live pastally ever after. But his arch nemesis, himself in a cheap mask, wants to spoil all that and roast your ears in pasta sauce.

The FSM will save you from that fate he so evilly has planned for you. No wait, that his nemesis has planned for you. All you have to do is eat nothing but pasta for the rest of your life, for some reason. And stuck it up your butt on Sundays. If you don't do that, you are choosing to have your ears roasted. And your arms exploded. And a bunch of other stuff, read the small print.

But it's totally your choice to either obey me or suffer. I mean, him. Obey the FSM. Not me.

(October 8, 2015 at 1:42 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 1:41 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Prove what?

Prove that your version is correct and "whoever told you you had to submit or obey God to receive eternal life" - lied.

Keep up.

its not my version its what the bible teaches. and I don't understand what you mean by prove. its either you believe it or not. theres no science involved here.

there are multiple scriptures supporting that belief on Jesus alone for your salvation is sufficient, but I'm lazy to list them out atm. I'm going to bed soon. you can private message me if you want to know more and ill get back to you

(October 8, 2015 at 1:34 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 1:23 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Nope!

He created everything, including the concept of sin (as disobedience to God). 

If we do not obey, then we are sent (or allowed to go to) this place that God created specifically for those who defy God.

The solution to not being sent there is to "accept" the "love" of God and submit.

That. Is. A. Rapist.

The notion that it is "justice" for a powerful being to create a torture chamber for people who will not obey the "revelations" claimed to have been made to a desert tribe of Bronze Age sheepherders, and send anyone who refuses to submit to that ruleset there, is not only laughable, it's just plain nuts. Especially since some of the other "revelations" include justifications for slavery, genocide, and women as property of men, concepts I find morally repugnant.

I also find the concept of "submit or be tortured" morally repugnant. Why not a system which rewards the faithful but allows nonbelievers to just die like the other animals, as we atheists already think we do? It is the threat of hell that makes God into a rapist. A non-rapist says, "I love you and want you to love me, but if you don't that's okay too. Have a nice life."

whoever told you you had to submit or obey God to receive eternal life lied to you. its the exact opposite. For by grace are ye saved through faith in Jesus Christ; and that not of yourselves; it is a GIFT of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. It's not a gift if I have to pay for it. It's paid for, now it's up to you if you want it or not.

The gift is not  free. Submission is not freedom. What are you, George Orwell?

(October 8, 2015 at 1:46 am)robvalue Wrote: The Flying Spaghetti Monster loves you and wants you to live pastally ever after. But his arch nemesis, himself in a cheap mask, wants to spoil all that and roast your ears in pasta sauce.

The FSM will save you from that fate he so evilly has planned for you. No wait, that his nemesis has planned for you. All you have to do is eat nothing but pasta for the rest of your life, for some reason. And stuck it up your butt on Sundays. If you don't do that, you are choosing to have your ears roasted. And your arms exploded. And a bunch of other stuff, read the small print.

But it's totally your choice to either obey me or suffer. I mean, him. Obey the FSM. Not me.

that's a more encouraging story than us coming from a rock tbh

(October 8, 2015 at 1:48 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: its not my version its what the bible teaches. [...]

Says you. Millions of christians of different denominations claim that it's NOT what the bible teaches about hell. So why should I believe your childish, semi-illiterate interpretation?

So are you going to obey me? I mean him?

(October 8, 2015 at 1:48 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 1:34 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: whoever told you you had to submit or obey God to receive eternal life lied to you. its the exact opposite. For by grace are ye saved through faith in Jesus Christ; and that not of yourselves; it is a GIFT of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. It's not a gift if I have to pay for it. It's paid for, now it's up to you if you want it or not.

The gift is not  free. Submission is not freedom. What are you, George Orwell?

YOU DONT HAVE TO SUBMIT!!!!!!!!!!!