(December 2, 2010 at 1:28 pm)Demonaura Wrote: This is shown in the "should you kill the fat man" scenario.

Oooh, I liked that game. 100% morally consistent, but apparently I'm abnormal: Results Moral relativism is always something to consider when forming an argument based on some form of morality.

(December 2, 2010 at 2:04 pm)Lethe Wrote:

(December 2, 2010 at 1:28 pm)Demonaura Wrote: This is shown in the "should you kill the fat man" scenario.

Oooh, I liked that game. 100% morally consistent, but apparently I'm abnormal: Results Moral relativism is always something to consider when forming an argument based on some form of morality.

Sorry, links to result pages don't work with that site

(December 2, 2010 at 2:09 pm)Demonaura Wrote: Sorry, links to result pages don't work with that site

Aww man. Well, I answered no to the first six questions and yes to the last two. I'm enjoying that site though.

Apparently I'm only 83% consistent, which I assume allows for the fact that once a month I don't give a shit about humanity and would kill you all.

(December 2, 2010 at 6:08 am)Arcanus Wrote: 1. The deliberate killing of innocent humans is morally wrong.
2. Elective abortion is the deliberate killing of an innocent human.
3. Therefore, elective abortion is morally wrong.

1. OK.
2. Fail. The fetus isn't a human. It's a potential human.
3. Conclusion not supported.

Further detail:

1. Questions of morality apply to how we treat our fellow thinking, feeling beings (sentience).
2. Without sentience, there are no questions of morality. We have no obligations morally to rocks or bacteria.
3. Sentience requires a functioning brain. Even if you're a "dualist", the brain is still essential.
4. There is no significant brain development until week 21.
5. Most abortions occur in the first trimester, well before this time.
6. It's very difficult to get an abortion after week 21. The woman's life must be in danger.
7. Ergo, the laws we have now are sufficient.

Quote: 1. The deliberate killing of innocent humans is morally wrong.
2. Elective abortion is the deliberate killing of an innocent human.

Two problems


(1) Is an absolute moral imperative which I reject outright. EG: I fully support voluntary euthanasia. I am livid that is not an option [currently] available to me as I face the realistic prospect of developing arteriosclerosis and dying by inches over the next 10-15 years.I'm obliged to make my own arrangements.That will cause deep distress to those who love me as well as unnecessary inconvenience and expense to the community.


(2) Is an opinion based on religious doctrine,not evidence. I'm aware of no evidence that a foetus is human being before it is viable ex utero.

Until the second premise is established,in my opinion abortion is a medical issue ,between the patient and her doctor AND NO ONE ELSE.It is NOT a moral issue. Fortunately for many thousands of women,that is also the legal position in my country.

@Summer Queen.

Only once a month? That was a permanent condition for my ex wife, Crune Punt.

(December 3, 2010 at 12:08 am)padraic Wrote: Crune Punt.

(December 3, 2010 at 12:08 am)padraic Wrote: Only once a month? That was a permanent condition for my ex wife, Crune Punt.

hahahahahaha

Ah well...you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, no? Save the immorality for when it really counts.

I regret to find I am 100% consistent in my morality. That means I lack even a hint of accidental redeeming virtue. :p

Quote:Ah well...you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, no?

Actually you can catch many more flies with bullshit.