(October 8, 2015 at 6:30 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: I'm often amazed at how spectacularly (and yet with such confidence!!) the Christians manage, almost literally every day on here, to completely fuck up when telling me what I believe. Or what they think I do.

But that's not the amazing part. It's that after I tell them what I actually do think, they just keep right on saying I believe something else.

I usually end up telling them they're not qualified to speak on my behalf.

(October 8, 2015 at 6:37 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 6:30 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: I'm often amazed at how spectacularly (and yet with such confidence!!) the Christians manage, almost literally every day on here, to completely fuck up when telling me what I believe. Or what they think I do.

But that's not the amazing part. It's that after I tell them what I actually do think, they just keep right on saying I believe something else.

I usually end up telling them they're not qualified to speak on my behalf.

In the real world that should suffice. But we're talking about people who presume to speak on behalf of a god.

(October 8, 2015 at 6:40 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 6:37 pm)Beccs Wrote: I usually end up telling them they're not qualified to speak on my behalf.

In the real world that should suffice. But we're talking about people who presume to speak on behalf of a god.

I drove one nuts once online by taking the exact same attitude and talking on behalf of the AllFather but taking it a step further.  He referred to God as He so I referred to Odin as HE.

The fun times I had with that idiot.

C_L you are right on point. I just took a nice little loop-ride out in the country, got a pack of a new type of potato chips to try (Lay's Gyro flavor...yuck! And I love gyros!!), and enjoyed watching a nice sunset as I listened to the thunder of the engine. I came back to see your butterflies.

Right on point. In the end, this is a bunch of total silliness. Thanks for keeping it light.

(October 8, 2015 at 6:15 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 5:46 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: What is your stance? you deny God exists entirely or you just don't want to be saved because you hate God

I don't hate God. I hate the being you describe as God.

If I thought for a moment there was a god, and that this god had the characteristics you describe in your Wholly Babble, then yes, I would hate this being.

But I hate God exactly as much as you hate Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy and Smaug the Magnificent and Lord Voldemort and Darth Vader and Sauron. 

(Previous, struck-out examples replaced with actual badguys who are more appropriate parallels to Genocidal Jehovah.)

I see. I understand that you are an atheist

Just for fun, what kind of god would be acceptable to you?

(October 8, 2015 at 8:19 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: I see. I understand that you are an atheist

Just for fun, what kind of god would be acceptable to you?

For one, a god who can actually talk rather than have people speak for him.

(October 8, 2015 at 7:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

Do you often get chased by flutterbys, CL?

Please learn how to operate the quote-box codes. It's really not that tough!

It's not really about what kind of god would be acceptable to me. Though I suppose if I had to think about the question a bit, I'd at least include "not genocidal, not giving 'divine revelations' that are in opposition to clearly-observable and -testable science, and does not feel the need to threaten humans into obedience". Maybe one that revealed Himself in a way that's a little less like UFOs picking up drunken rednecks out in the desert near Nevada, and, say maybe visited the population centers of Babylon, Athens, China, Rome, or Alexandria, instead of one of the most backward peoples on the planet, and then hoping we all extrapolate His existence from the sparse, secondhand accounts of questionable reliability based on testimony of a few guys who came from there telling a story of a dude in the desert.

What is not acceptable to me is a god-concept that is so obviously manmade, full of all of the prejudices and superstitions and barbaric violence of a group of desert tribesmen, who apparently didn't know that by showing up in the Mideast he'd be ignoring the entirety of China and SE Asia, North and South America, Australia and New Zealand, et cetera.

What is not acceptable to me is a "free gift" that is on unnecessary pain of torture for disobedience, like a psychopathic pharaoh, when all that needs to happen (if we assume the proposition that an Omnipotent God somehow cannot stand the sight of sin and thus cannot let sinners into heaven) is that I die. Just die. End. Finis. I have failed to listen to the Messiah and find The Way, The Truth, and The Life, and am unable to come unto the Father. Great. Only those who do so get to go to heaven. Why the torture? It's unnecessary for God, but totally necessary for a priest who is trying to force as many people to accept his authority as possible, and is willing to use immoral means of psychological manipulation to do so.

When I cannot tell your God from a psychopath, it is unacceptable to me, because I am a moral person.

So I suppose the short answer is: "For starters, not a homicidal, genocidal, misogynistic, eternal-torturing psychopath."