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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 12:00 am
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(October 10, 2015 at 11:55 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 10:22 pm)Irrational Wrote: The verses are clear. If you willingly sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth (which you claim you do), then you're fucked. Don't contradict the Bible.
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
1 John is very clear on salvation that believing on Jesus Christ = eternal life.
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." 1 John 5:13
The objection you make is that you can lose your salvation, and this is false. what the passage you quoted is talking about is fellowship with God. You can still be saved, but these tests are whether or not you are in fellowship with Him.
Ah, no, you need to read the verses yourself to see for yourself instead of asking your pastor. If you continue sinning, then you are not of God, but of Satan.
Just because a person may know they have eternal life now doesn't mean it'll be guaranteed that he will never lose it.
Once saved, always saved is heresy.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 12:03 am
(October 10, 2015 at 11:55 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: The objection you make is that you can lose your salvation, and this is false.
Salvation can always be lost, according to the Christian religion.
The one thing that ascertains eternal damnation from salvation is the absolute denial of the existence of the holy spirit.
Also, if salvation could not be lost, what would be the reason for needing to continually seek absolution when one keeps sinning?
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 12:07 am
(October 11, 2015 at 12:00 am)Irrational Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 11:55 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: 1 John is very clear on salvation that believing on Jesus Christ = eternal life.
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." 1 John 5:13
The objection you make is that you can lose your salvation, and this is false. what the passage you quoted is talking about is fellowship with God. You can still be saved, but these tests are whether or not you are in fellowship with Him.
Ah, no, you need to read the verses yourself to see for yourself instead of asking your pastor. If you continue sinning, then you are not of God, but of Satan.
Just because a person may know they have eternal life now doesn't mean it'll be guaranteed that he will never lose it.
Once saved, always saved is heresy.
anyone who doesn't believe in once saved always saved thinks God is a liar.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 12:08 am
(October 11, 2015 at 12:07 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: anyone who doesn't believe in once saved always saved thinks God is a liar.
You clearly need to brush up on the Christian religion.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 12:14 am
Forcibly saved. I feel like I've been abducted.
Talk about non-consent! People might be more reluctant to even consider joining, if they knew they couldn't back out.
I already thought the God-concept was an abusive relationship, but ... wow.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 12:18 am
(October 11, 2015 at 12:14 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:
Love hurts, don't it?
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 12:29 am
(October 11, 2015 at 12:07 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 11, 2015 at 12:00 am)Irrational Wrote: Ah, no, you need to read the verses yourself to see for yourself instead of asking your pastor. If you continue sinning, then you are not of God, but of Satan.
Just because a person may know they have eternal life now doesn't mean it'll be guaranteed that he will never lose it.
Once saved, always saved is heresy.
anyone who doesn't believe in once saved always saved thinks God is a liar.
God said it in his precious word. You're the one lying.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 12:29 am
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(October 11, 2015 at 12:03 am)Kitan Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 11:55 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: The objection you make is that you can lose your salvation, and this is false.
Salvation can always be lost, according to the Christian religion.
The one thing that ascertains eternal damnation from salvation is the absolute denial of the existence of the holy spirit.
Also, if salvation could not be lost, what would be the reason for needing to continually seek absolution when one keeps sinning?
Whoever said salvation can be lost was a false prophet
and the unpardonable sin you speak of isn't denying the existence of the Holy Spirit, rather it was a specific sin which happened in the days when Jesus was on Earth. The Pharisees who seeing that Jesus was performing miracles being filled with the Holy Spirit said instead that he was filled with the demon Beelzebub blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
You're sins are not forgiven if you reject the Son.
All your sins are forgiven past, present, and future once you believe on Jesus Christ. confession of sins after receiving salvation by grace through Jesus Christ is for relational purposes with God. It offends God and grieves the Spirit when we sin (Ephesians 4:20) God has already given me eternal life in Heaven, but if I want to walk with God and live in a close relationship with Him on Earth, then I must confess my sins daily. And to confess means to agree with. I'm agreeing with God that I was wrong and sinned.
(October 11, 2015 at 12:29 am)Irrational Wrote: (October 11, 2015 at 12:07 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: anyone who doesn't believe in once saved always saved thinks God is a liar.
God said it in his precious word. You're the one lying.
where?
(October 11, 2015 at 12:14 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Forcibly saved. I feel like I've been abducted.
Talk about non-consent! People might be more reluctant to even consider joining, if they knew they couldn't back out.
I already thought the God-concept was an abusive relationship, but ... wow.
aaaamaazzing graaace how sweeeet the sound
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 12:32 am
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(October 11, 2015 at 12:29 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:
(October 11, 2015 at 12:29 am)Irrational Wrote: God said it in his precious word. You're the one lying.
where?
The passages have already been posted. Denying them will not make them false. So stop lying about God's word, you false prophet and child of Satan. If you keep on sinning, you are not of God.
Ah, it feels so easy preaching with scriptures.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 11, 2015 at 12:34 am
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(October 11, 2015 at 12:29 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Whoever said salvation can be lost was a false prophet
and the unpardonable sin you speak of isn't denying the existence of the Holy Spirit, rather it was a specific sin which happened in the days when Jesus was on Earth. The Pharisees who seeing that Jesus was performing miracles being filled with the Holy Spirit said instead that he was filled with the demon Beelzebub blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
You're sins are not forgiven if you reject the Son.
All your sins are forgiven past, present, and future once you believe on Jesus Christ. confession of sins after receiving salvation by grace through Jesus Christ is for relational purposes with God. It offends God and grieves the Spirit when we sin (Ephesians 4:20) God has already given me eternal life in Heaven, but if I want to walk with God and live in a close relationship with Him on Earth, then I must confess my sins daily. And to confess means to agree with. I'm agreeing with God that I was wrong and sinned.
Seems to me that you are of a denomination that has a different interpretation of scripture than other professed Christians.
If I may ask, what is your denomination?
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