(October 12, 2015 at 10:48 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 10:30 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: You act like no doctor has ever misdiagnosed cancer, heart disease, etc...

That's what second opinions are for.

Or, you can just go ahead with your theory bullshit idea that a doctor who is predisposed to a particular idea (religious psychiatrist) is better able to provide an unbiased diagnosis.

isnt atheism being predisposed to a particular idea also they exclude any possibility of God ... the only unbiased view is someone who is open to all possibilities but not particularily for or against . which wouldnt be an atheist or theist  . if a psych cant be unbiased i would rather them knowledgeable to the fact that God exists.

yes a doctor without full knowledge of a disease might misdiagnose something thats why people should seek out knowledgeable doctors and psychiatrists so that they wont be misdiagnosed thank you for further clarifying the point i was trying to make and yes getting a second opinion from a more educated doctor is a great idea .

First, your ignorance is showing. Atheism is the lack of belief in gawd(s), not the belief there are none.

Second, you think I actually supported your argument?
Of course, only by strawmanning what I actually said.

(October 12, 2015 at 10:55 pm)Losty Wrote: You clearly have no clue what atheism is

She clearly has no clue how science and medicine work either.

(October 12, 2015 at 11:13 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 11:03 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Psychiatrists have to earn a Medical Doctor degree, and the AFTER THAT they can specialize in psychiatry.

and if they specialized in the body instead of the intangible mind they could arrive at diagnosis that was based on science and not their own opinion . a diagnosis is only as good as the opinion of the psych who gives it not all are equal .

Say WHAT?  Did you not read the reply?  They are required to be certified as medical doctors FIRST.  Then they begin to study psychiatry.  They focused on the body for four years after a regular college pre-med degree.  Everything a psychiatrist does is based upon science.

(October 12, 2015 at 11:06 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 9:31 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: its ok you just dont understand . yes they are sufficiently different in form and substance they are completely different . why wouldnt they be thoughts anymore just because they are different ? its not a mess , theyre thoughts that my mind does not recognize as being produced from within my mind . I dont really consider thoughts to be something you can " hear " hearing is for audible sound that your ears pick up ... and i have no idea what you mean by  " They're in your HEAD heard as THOUGHTS that makes them nothing to do with God who is fucking unfalsifiable B.S you can't disprove anyway! "  ... im guessing that you meant to say that i cant 'prove anyway!' ... yes i already said i cant prove it to you if God appeared before you youd probabally just go to a psychiatrist and get on meds or think it was all your imagination or you were dreaming exc. your the last person i could convince .

Hi Orchid.  Welcome back.

why are you calling me orchid and welcoming me back?

(October 12, 2015 at 11:16 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 10:55 pm)Losty Wrote: You clearly have no clue what atheism is

She clearly has no clue how science and medicine work either.

I rarely use such language, but . . . NO SHIT SHERLOCK.   Wow.   We have rarely seen ignorance like this, and that counts the hundreds of illiterate preachers that keep showing up here.  Wow.

(October 12, 2015 at 11:17 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 11:13 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: and if they specialized in the body instead of the intangible mind they could arrive at diagnosis that was based on science and not their own opinion . a diagnosis is only as good as the opinion of the psych who gives it not all are equal .

Say WHAT?  Did you not read the reply?  They are required to be certified as medical doctors FIRST.  Then they begin to study psychiatry.  They focused on the body for four years after a regular college pre-med degree.  Everything a psychiatrist does is based upon science.

they might have studied the body but they dont treat the body , they treat the mind .

(October 12, 2015 at 11:13 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 11:03 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Psychiatrists have to earn a Medical Doctor degree, and the AFTER THAT they can specialize in psychiatry.

and if they specialized in the body instead of the intangible mind they could arrive at diagnosis that was based on science and not their own opinion . a diagnosis is only as good as the opinion of the psych who gives it not all are equal .

Once again, results verify the effectiveness of psychology.

When I was in Med school I had to do basic psychology and while it's not something I would choose to do, it is pretty effective.

(October 12, 2015 at 11:15 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 10:48 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: isnt atheism being predisposed to a particular idea also they exclude any possibility of God ... the only unbiased view is someone who is open to all possibilities but not particularily for or against . which wouldnt be an atheist or theist  . if a psych cant be unbiased i would rather them knowledgeable to the fact that God exists.

yes a doctor without full knowledge of a disease might misdiagnose something thats why people should seek out knowledgeable doctors and psychiatrists so that they wont be misdiagnosed thank you for further clarifying the point i was trying to make and yes getting a second opinion from a more educated doctor is a great idea .

First, your ignorance is showing. Atheism is the lack of belief in gawd(s), not the belief there are none.

Second, you think I actually supported your argument?
Of course, only by strawmanning what I actually said.

no i simply used your argument to support my point , a doctor without accurate knowledge will misdiagnose . exactly what i was saying .

(October 12, 2015 at 11:14 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 11:03 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Psychiatrists have to earn a Medical Doctor degree, and the AFTER THAT they can specialize in psychiatry.

Just don't trust a shrink to perform surgery.

"I'm about to cut you open.  Tell me how you feel about that."

LOL Beccs!!!   Unless I have been mis-led by surgeon friends, the path toward becoming a surgeon is much the same: years of study beyond the regular college degree, get your medical degree and THEN specialize.

I'm not sure your bedside manner would engender confidence though.  That's why you're a surgeon, right?  The patient is OUT before you start in with the scalpel!

(October 12, 2015 at 11:18 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 11:17 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Say WHAT?  Did you not read the reply?  They are required to be certified as medical doctors FIRST.  Then they begin to study psychiatry.  They focused on the body for four years after a regular college pre-med degree.  Everything a psychiatrist does is based upon science.

they might have studied the body but they dont treat the body , they treat the mind .

I find it truly amusing that you keep arguing your opinion as fact in a thread where a certified MD (no, not drfuzzy) is trying to give you the real facts.