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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 6:10 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 5:58 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 5:55 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: because they are very different than my own thoughts and my mind , the origin of my own thoughts , recognizes them as being not from me
That is how thoughts from the subconscious are described by neuroscientists.
interesting theory
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 6:15 pm
You have to try to see it from our perspective, Jenny. Seriously, and I'm not trying to be mean by saying that, or this:
We get people here constantly, endlessly, all telling us (different versions of) what they know about God because it was revealed to them.
It never starts sounding any less silly, with more variants, only more so.
If you went onto a Christian forum and told them you heard the Hindu gods talking to you, they'd tell you what we tell you about Hindu gods. Your generic version of God might be low-key enough not to raise the redflags of the True Believers™ elsewhere, because they can imagine that what you're hearing is really the same as the very specific version of god in which they happen to believe, but as soon as you were specific enough that they could psychologically isolate it from their own ideas about god, you'd go right back to scorn and derision.
To us, from the outside edge of this whole "I talk to god" "No I do!" "No really it's me!!" discussion, it just looks like a bunch of lunatics or schizophrenics trying to explain to us that their invisible friend is the only real invisible friend, and that he wears corduroy pants... no he doesn't he doesn't need clothes because he's a being made of light... wrong he's a shadow in the corner of the room that talks to me as I'm falling asleep... wrong, sir, he's a voice that comes to me when I am sad... WRONG! he's ... (See my point?)
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 6:18 pm
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(October 15, 2015 at 5:55 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 5:44 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: How do you know the thoughts you are hearing aren't just your own subconscious?
I mean, just for a change, throw a bit of critical thinking at it.
What is more likely, you are misinterpreting your own subconscious as the voice of a god? By the way, the human subconscious is proved to exist.
Or...
The creator of the universe (An entity that is not supported by evidence), is telepathically putting thoughts in to your mind?
because they are very different than my own thoughts and my mind , the origin of my own thoughts , recognizes them as being not from me
By the way...
Every mother (Andrea Yates, Deanna Laney, etc) that has killed her children because she was told by god to do so, describes the exact same thing.
How do you know that these women that report being communicated to by god in the same way that you describe god's communication to you, are not actually communicating with god?
Or, anther related question.
If you heard god's thoughts telling you to kill, and they occurred exactly like you have described them ( very different than my own thoughts and my mind , the origin of my own thoughts , recognizes them as being not from me), would you obey them?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 6:23 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 6:15 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: You have to try to see it from our perspective, Jenny. Seriously, and I'm not trying to be mean by saying that, or this:
We get people here constantly, endlessly, all telling us (different versions of) what they know about God because it was revealed to them.
It never starts sounding any less silly, with more variants, only more so.
If you went onto a Christian forum and told them you heard the Hindu gods talking to you, they'd tell you what we tell you about Hindu gods. Your generic version of God might be low-key enough not to raise the redflags of the True Believers™ elsewhere, because they can imagine that what you're hearing is really the same as the very specific version of god in which they happen to believe, but as soon as you were specific enough that they could psychologically isolate it from their own ideas about god, you'd go right back to scorn and derision.
To us, from the outside edge of this whole "I talk to god" "No I do!" "No really it's me!!" discussion, it just looks like a bunch of lunatics or schizophrenics trying to explain to us that their invisible friend is the only real invisible friend, and that he wears corduroy pants... no he doesn't he doesn't need clothes because he's a being made of light... wrong he's a shadow in the corner of the room that talks to me as I'm falling asleep... wrong, sir, he's a voice that comes to me when I am sad... WRONG! he's ... (See my point?)
Rocket, our perspective doesn't matter. She can hear Gods thoughts and she knows she not one of those "lunatics" as you put it. How? Because God tells her so. With his thoughts. Its a fool proof system.
I for one feel like I could learn much from it. The lottery numbers, the future, the answers to various scientific mysteries, an insight into our history never before learned.
I mean honestly, who are we to question her? We should all be waiting with bated breath to hear whats going through Gods mind. I for one tend to convert fully once I learn the secret to faster than light travel.
Seriously. You're all being so closed minded tonight.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 6:29 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 6:10 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 6:04 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: ok well the next time i think its a great idea to share any insight that God has given me , so that it can be laughed at and ridiculed by a bunch of atheists , ill let you know 
What? No no no. I'm sincere. I want to know what Gods thinking.
I mean even if I was mocking you, totally not by the way, imagine the beneficial effect Gods light could have on my life if you shared that? It would be so obvious it was Gods thoughts that I couldn't deny it and would make beneficial life changing decisions as a result. Beneficial not only to myself but those around me.
Don't you want that? Doesn't God want that?
God says to throw religions in the trash and just love one another thats it . live and love . and stop making useless bowls that you think are so important like children give to their parents thinking them important for some reason . its just a lot of wasted time and energy . there .... now have a hearty laugh atheist
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 6:31 pm
Hmmm... God is very unoriginal.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 6:34 pm
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(October 15, 2015 at 6:29 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 6:10 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: What? No no no. I'm sincere. I want to know what Gods thinking.
I mean even if I was mocking you, totally not by the way, imagine the beneficial effect Gods light could have on my life if you shared that? It would be so obvious it was Gods thoughts that I couldn't deny it and would make beneficial life changing decisions as a result. Beneficial not only to myself but those around me.
Don't you want that? Doesn't God want that?
God says to throw religions in the trash and just love one another thats it . live and love . and stop making useless bowls that you think are so important like children give to their parents thinking them important for some reason . its just a lot of wasted time and energy . there .... now have a hearty laugh atheist
I don't make bowls. Why does God think I make bowls?
Also does he use that exact word? "Trash"?
Does God tell you with his thoughts why you can hear him? Does he ever send thoughts to you about anything you couldn't possibly know by yourself?
What does God think about you dehumanizing me by referring to me with a label rather than my forum name?
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 6:36 pm
You heard it here first folks.
God Hates Bowls.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 6:40 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 6:36 pm)Iroscato Wrote: You heard it here first folks.
God Hates Bowls.
He thinks I make them.
I might be going to hell dude.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 6:46 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 6:34 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 6:29 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: God says to throw religions in the trash and just love one another thats it . live and love . and stop making useless bowls that you think are so important like children give to their parents thinking them important for some reason . its just a lot of wasted time and energy . there .... now have a hearty laugh atheist
I don't make bowls. Why does God think I make bowls?
Also does he use that exact word? "Trash"?
Does God tell you with his thoughts why you can hear him? Does he ever send thoughts to you about anything you couldn't possibly know by yourself?
What does God think about you dehumanizing me by referring to me with a label rather than my forum name?
no you are not a bowl maker your ideal only religious people make bowls . my interpretation is trash / to dispose of is the idea . whatever comes to me is nothing that i knew previously . you are the one who has labeled yourself as an atheist you put it as your faith
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
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