(October 17, 2015 at 6:40 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 6:29 am)Blondie Wrote: Two Shay. Now since there is no experiment to prove the existence of God, where is the proof outside of human logic and excuses do non-theists have?

No need for proof. In fact - logically you can't prove a negative statement. Try proving that there are no fairies, or that Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist.

"What can be assessed without proof, can be dismissed without proof" - C. Hitchens

It's very simple - both theists and "non-theists" believe that material world exists (well most of them anyway). We ALL (except nut-jobs) agree on that. Now, theists and other transcendentalists claim that there exists some - often a lot of - extra stuff on top of the material universe. It's this extra stuff that needs to be proven, because otherwise - we could multiply imaginary beings into infinity. As I said - try disproving existence fairies, FSM, Zeus, Chronos, gnomes, elves, griffins, dragons, Batman, Godzilla, aliens, ancient aliens, super-aliens... You get the point, I hope...

Yes, I get the point. I  am not a nut job either.   Transcendentalists are not Christians. Two completely different deals.  Now since I have listed Christian here and you say God doesn't exist. How would you go about convincing me that God doesn't?

I should point out again that personally I don't even care if God exists or not because it is of no relevance to me either way. It just happens to be an ill-defined concept with no evidence behind it. Just because lots of people believe in it, that doesn't make it at all real any more than believing in fairies make them real.

Conclusively proving a negative is generally impossible, but more importantly it is a pointless endeavour. Absolute certainty is not necessary, or indeed possible. We live our lives by reasonable conclusions based on probability.

(October 17, 2015 at 6:33 am)I_am_not_mafia Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 6:13 am)Blondie Wrote: Thanks. What I was taught in school was completely different from what you said. I was taught in public school that the big bang theory is what created the universe and the Ice Age is what killed the dinosaurs. Then somewhere along the way men came.

Alex is just joking. He knows what the Big Bang is because he is a trained Physicist (some of us are scientists you know).

Also a meteorite finished off the dinosaurs and allowed mammals to fill the evolutionary niche left behind. It wasn't an ice age. If you are referring to the sun being blocked out because of all the debris in the sky as being an ice age, then that's not what scientists mean when they say an ice age. People refer to it as an impact winter (or nuclear winter if it's caused by all out nuclear warfare). An ice age is something else entirely.

When I actually looked it up, (LOL) I seen a few different theories really about volcanoes erupting to comets to climate. I honestly vaguely remember learning about this in school. I hated school really so I didn't pay much attention.

Ah, well. The more you learn about science and the real world, the less believable you will find the stories in the bible are. Science has shown, beyond reasonable doubt, that most of it is just made up and couldn't have happened. To try and just believe it happened anyway is no different from believing Lord of the Rings happened, because you want it to be true.

Since theists can't agree on the most basic facts about God, that is good evidence that they are not having the relationship they think they are.

Additional: if someone makes a claim, and they have insufficient evidence, I'm quite happy saying I don't yet believe the claim. I have no requirement to also say the claim is false, just that I reserve judgement. If the claim is a fantastical one which goes against everything I know, then it is reasonable for me to estimate that it is probably not true, though. But I have no need to try and demonstrate that beyond pointing out the gulf between the unusual nature of the claim and the evidence.

(October 17, 2015 at 7:03 am)abaris Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 6:52 am)Blondie Wrote: Just like Christians or Catholics have the burden to prove His existence, the atheists have the burden of proof of non-existence. Muslims worship a rock, Buddha a statue, and etc.

No, we don't. Earlier on I asked if christians subscribe to belief in fairies, unicorns, dragons or bigfoot. What about Zeus, Odin or Osiris? Most of you don't. You just suspend disblief for one single god of one síngle scripture. And we don't. For us, this god, any god, is on the same lines as the above. Stuff of legend and mythology, so we don't have to prove a negative.

I entered late on this one. Christians do dismiss Zesus, Odin, Oriris, bigfoot, and fairies. I have heard some Christians say that dragons did exist in the Bible. There is one description in there about it. The Bible calls Satan many names, but one in particular is the Dragon. Unicorns are something that Christians really shouldn't have unicorns in their homes.
  Italian Horn - Other names....Unicorn horn and Leprechaun staff. Introduced by the Lord Druids of Scotland and Ireland. It is associated  with good luck and good fortune. It is also used to ward off "Maluka" or the  "Evil Eye". It also means satan will take care of your finances. compiled by Pastor Billy Bissell.

In almost every picture of the unicorn, you will see a butterfly. The butterfly represents Christianity. Most of the time, you will see the unicorn  lift up one of the hind legs to crush the butterfly.

Just like I can't convince you there is one God, you can dismiss me, but you can't convince me otherwise, there isn't.

(October 17, 2015 at 5:47 am)Blondie Wrote:

(October 17, 2015 at 5:30 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Not all documentaries are created equal.  There is no evidence for a global flood and hence none for Noah's ark.  There isn't a 'burning bush'.  These things are Hebraic mythology, and no more subject to verification than Thor's magic goats or Amaterasu's necklace.

Boru

Point well taken.  Since you say no evidence, then what is your personal opinion as to why the Arabs guard those places that some say these places are and will kill you if caught going to Mount Ararat? If there is no evidence of a global flood, then what happened to all the ice during the Ice Age that scientists say killed the dinosaurs?

You don't know what scientists say. A massive meteorite killed the dinosaurs. The ice ages that I assume you talk of happened millions of years later. (Smoke would have botted out the sun for a while due to the massive destruction but not an ice age)

(October 16, 2015 at 4:24 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: What are the evidence for no god?

You're a fucking moron. 

(October 17, 2015 at 7:04 am)Blondie Wrote: Yes, I get the point. I  am not a nut job either.   Transcendentalists are not Christians. Two completely different deals. 

Well, I actually said that theists are transcendentalists, not the other way round, but I did use the wrong word. Brain-fart, sorry. I meant - idealists.

(October 17, 2015 at 7:04 am)Blondie Wrote: Now since I have listed Christian here and you say God doesn't exist. How would you go about convincing me that God doesn't?

I wouldn't. As long as you and your beliefs stay out of my business - I don't care what you believe.

(October 17, 2015 at 6:55 am)robvalue Wrote: How can I experience it if I can't conceive of it? How can I be aware that my experience is connected to something that is beyond my comprehension?

This sounds like you have an experience and you just decide it is God, and not just god but the Christian God. How are you coming to that conclusion?

It is all by faith and not your five senses. You use your brain, you are beating a dead horse. You have to use your heart.  Some people say He is your conscience like when you were a child who may have stolen a quarter out of your mom's purse.  You felt bad about doing it.  We all know stealing is wrong, but God is that still yet small voice that tells you that you were wrong for stealing that quarter and you need to make it right. 

I grew up in church. That was my first teachings before I learned any other religion.  As far as my experience, why would a complete stranger let me go without any physical harm? Why was I free instead of lying in the dumpster stabbed?  Why did people abandon me? 

The person knew I could identify him.  Most people hurt their victims or make them scared to death. The most puzzling thing about it was he gave me a hug and told me to come back when I was ready to have sex (which I never did, I am not that stupid).  He went in and I walked away.  No one is that nice to their victims. If God doesn't exist, this can't possibly make sense logically.  Since it doesn't matter one way or the other, how would you explain what happened?

My heart just pumps blood. You are either speaking metaphorically or innacurately.

I have no idea what happened, I don't need to have an alternative explanation to point out that your version has no evidence. That is the argument from ignorance again, which I referenced from my website

"I don't know" is a perfectly acceptable answer. The need to fill gaps with made up stories is where religion flourishes.