(October 18, 2015 at 5:08 pm)Thena323 Wrote: If you believe that there is no suffering in the kingdom of Heaven, you might as well believe that your God will perform some sort of miraculous mind wipe once you arrive; to ensure that you won't be tortured by the thought of those who didn't make the cut.

See? All better now...yay!

That's where Styx comes in.

Quote:Very few people on here have tolerance for another to have a completely different opinion. As for everyone else on here, you all are bigots just like the very thing you all despise.

Do you realise that your first sentence makes a wonderful farce out of your second, or would I find it funnier that you don't?

Stop Spamming. FSM hates spammers.

(October 18, 2015 at 7:56 pm)Blondie Wrote: As for everyone else on here, you all are bigots just like the very thing you all despise. Therefore, one is not any better than the other.  Stop the pot from calling the kettle black.

No, idiot. I'm intolerant of bigots, thinking they're better than certain other people. That's what I despise. You being a christian has nothing to do with it. You looking down on other people has everything to do with it. You could be an atheist and I would spit in your bigoted face just the same, as I have done numerous times with other people thinking they're above others.

That's something to puke over, you, as an individual, are something to puke over. Not your assumed christianity.

(October 18, 2015 at 8:16 pm)abaris Wrote:

(October 18, 2015 at 7:56 pm)Blondie Wrote: As for everyone else on here, you all are bigots just like the very thing you all despise. Therefore, one is not any better than the other.  Stop the pot from calling the kettle black.

No, idiot. I'm intolerant of bigots, thinking they're better than certain other people. That's what I despise. You being a christian has nothing to do with it. You looking down on other people has everything to do with it. You could be an atheist and I would spit in your bigoted face just the same, as I have done numerous times with other people thinking they're above others.

That's something to puke over, you, as an individual, are something to puke over. Not your assumed christianity.

I never put myself above anyone else. I have been looked down on all my life so that is where you are sadly mistaken.  Most people claim Christians are bigots.  That is just a slanderous word one person calls another person who are set in their ways on a particular belief, value, moral, etc. I am the one who got put down first because I am what you call a theist.  If no one makes an adventure, there is nothing gained.  So everyone needs to get off their high horse.  We may not think alike, but we all think with our brain, bleed the same, and have the same organs.  With that being said, we are all humans period.

(October 18, 2015 at 8:55 pm)Blondie Wrote: I never put myself above anyone else.

Then take a good hard look at what you said about other religions, other religious people. No, it's got nothing to do with christianity. It only has to do with a person, who loves to hate everything that isn't in accordance with her world view. And that's despicable.

And don't play the christian persecution card. We've got quite a bunch of christians who are decent people. It's only they don't go out of their way to disrespect others.

(October 18, 2015 at 11:12 am)Pandæmonium Wrote:

(October 18, 2015 at 10:58 am)Blondie Wrote: The thing here about me that you missed, I really don't care.  Evolution is irrelevant to me because I really don't care.  I don't go looking for information on the internet about it and neither do I channel surf looking for evolution documentaries.  I don't even do this for the Creation.  The only thing that matters to me now is that I am here.  I don't really care how I got here or how the universe got here.  That is one misunderstanding. 

Just because of the Christian views I have, that does not mean that I dismiss all science.  That is misunderstanding number 2. 

I really don't care if you think I am stupid or a cunt.  It don't hurt my feelings one bit.  It only shows ignorance and intolerance of someone who does not agree with you.  The Muslims kill because of their intolerance of other viewpoints different then their own.  That is misunderstanding number 3. 

So you got anything intelligent to say or are you going to do some more unnecessary name-calling showing your ignorance and intolerance?

I really don't give any sort of shit about you or your 'beliefs' (which deserve no respect, and deserve no quarter. Your beliefs are ridiculous, and so are you).

If anyone has revealed their idiocy on the forum so far it's you. Enjoy wasting everyone's time with your nonsense.

Then why do you bother to respond to me if you think I am ridiculous or if you don't give a crap?

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(October 18, 2015 at 9:00 pm)abaris Wrote:

(October 18, 2015 at 8:55 pm)Blondie Wrote: I never put myself above anyone else.

Then take a good hard look at what you said about other religions, other religious people. No, it's got nothing to do with christianity. It only has to do with a person, who loves to hate everything that isn't in accordance with her world view. And that's despicable.

And don't play the christian persecution card. We've got quite a bunch of christians who are decent people. It's only they don't go out of their way to disrespect others.

Those were reasons why the other I chose not to believe in those religions.  To another person, they can argue why they can't accept Christianity.  It is no different then the purpose of this forum which is to reject any belief of something the goes beyond logic or the human mind. It is no different then why Christianity doesn't work for you regardless of the reasoning or logic behind your thinking.  I expressed my opinion period. One member on here explained why she thinks that Christianity is false.  I did not persecute her or crucify her because she did not agree with me.  I explained the problem between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam face and the splits and argue that these three belief systems have.

As far as the persecution card, no this is by no means persecution.  Real persecution goes on everyday in the Middle East over the difference of opinion about religion. 

You all have, however, disrespected me in the beginning and some are still doing it. That is not persecution.  I really have no idea why I signed up.  For the same reason you all laugh at me about my belief in something is the same reason I started exploring the site to begin with after I found a dude dressed up in a dolphin costume just to get attention which was posted on this site.  I did not do a search for an atheist forum.    It was not my intention to stay on this site.  But something caught my attention so I decided to stay probably after ticking most if not all of this community off.  So, I apologize for the earlier posts.  Now give me a chance to learn your viewpoints along with anyone else who wants to share their viewpoints with me without the name-calling and drama crap.

I'm back. Safe trip. Huzzah. One more task accomplished.

Blondie, I'll give you kudos and a rep point for your tenacity. Our group usually isn't this hostile to people in general, and I think they're being unusually and unnecessarily harsh to you, today. You happened to arrive at a bad time, at the end of a clash between us and a group of science-denying (in a very dishonest and aggressive way), anti-atheist bigots who have managed to inflame our emotions and put the group in a defensive and hostile posture. They are thus inclined to take anything you say in the worst light possible. I don't agree with the way this conversation has gone, but I do understand; I hope you can do the same, as I think you have the potential to be a contributing and valuable member of this community, even as a believer.

You've definitely got some bad ideas you'll need to personally work on expunging from your program, so to speak, but I think your heart's in the right place, overall.

Honest questions are encouraged, here... the problem is that theists like to come here and ask us questions that look like honest ones, but they're really just "bait", as given in the definition of trolling I mentioned earlier. It can be hard to tell whether you're trolling us or are genuinely asking, especially if people are already looking for and expecting the worst in you. For instance, when you ask us "Why are there no fossils?", and we tell you what the fossils are, a troll will just throw out another question as if we had not answered the first one-- they have no intent on changing their minds; they're just looking for one we don't personally happen to know the answer to, so they can say, "Ha! You atheists don't know anything! Science is all wrong!" They do this despite 20 previously-answered questions they posed as if those questions could not be answered, either, and they refuse to consider the implication of "I claimed science doesn't know this, but it does". Worse, some of them deliberately present mistaken/misleading fake arguments that science doesn't even make, and we're forced to spend all our time saying, "No, that's not what it says...", only to be ignored again and have more bullets fired our way.

It doesn't take long to get really angry at people who do this, and start assuming that the next person who asks a similar question is yet another troll. It's not fair, but it's understandable, as I said.

If you genuinely want to know the things you've been asking us, I'm glad to take the time to explain anything you want to know, as will Esquilax and a few others here who have some pretty good levels of knowledge in the field of evolutionary biology and/or cosmology.

I'm hoping that you do, because as you pointed out with the NCSE article, there's no real conflict between science and faith, except in the sense that the way the Bronze Age tribal sheepherders wrote the story was based on a clearly-wrong idea of how the world operates, and so much of the ideas of why God does this-or-that are provably incompatible with reality. Once a Christian lets go of the idea that the Bible is a history or science book, dictated directly from God to His Holy Secretaries, then it's not an issue... the people at the ICR are the type who just can't let go of the literalist version of the scriptures, and so they are willing to manipulate and lie in defense of that literalist approach, believing that they are serving a greater good by doing so.

Meanwhile, keep your mind open and your skin thick. In the words of Han Solo, "Good luck. You're gonna need it."

I_am_not_mafia

(October 18, 2015 at 9:46 am)Blondie Wrote: Pre-med as a Biology major and chemistry minor.  With this being said, I can't be too stupid.

Now this will be a good example of when you can answer back with "touche!"

(October 18, 2015 at 8:30 am)Blondie Wrote: but have you ever heard the term educated idiot?  

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph...ed%20Idiot
Educated Idiot
An Educated Idiot is a person that went to college, but is dumber than a rock. The Educated Idiot feels like he/she is smart, but they screw up everything they get involved in. They have a hard time getting dressed, driving a car, or eating. Only the parents are proud of their Educated Idiot children mainly because they themselvs are also Educated Idiots.
That guy at work has a degree but he's not able to do anything. He must be an educated idiot.

And out of interest, you say that you studied Biology but did you actually pass it? Not sure how this is possible if you don't accept evolution.

Touche on the first.   On the biology, I did pass.  I had to drop out before I could finish because of the circumstances life handed me.  Life sometimes sucks.

I'm still trying to get my mind around a biology undergrad who doesn't understand the scientific connotation of theory.