I get tired of the semantics. I am for equal rights and opportunities for all people. I am against sexism in all directions. Idgaf if you call me a feminist, SJW, egalitarian whatever I honestly do not care at all. Isn't time that all of us who are for equal rights and against social inequalities to stfu about the semantics?

Honestly I'm a fan of abandoning the labels altogether. Its just too easy for any movement or group to be co-opted by people who use the labels and the people in them to push agendas that people who prescribe to the labels don't agree with. That and its far more interesting and honest to get peoples actual thoughts and opinions rather than having to use label or group and guess how much a person line up with those. Though I do think its important all while people pretend to speak on behalves of all people in a group, granting them authority they shouldn't have.

(January 2, 2015 at 9:04 am)bennyboy Wrote: Here's the thing: atheists, in general, are resistant to dogma. They are resistant to ideas imposed on them, even by a "right-thinking" majority.

I don't think anti-feminism is against females. It's against the impositions of an -ism, and the unbearable rhetoric, hypocrisy and implicit expectations of unconditional compliance. If someone tells me, "You must, always and under penalty of social stigma if you refuse, consider 'X' to be true," the first thing I'm going to do is argue to my death that "X" is not necessarily true. I'll call the social bluff on principal, just because-- fuck you for telling me what I am or am not allowed to think or believe.

Ok, after my rant I have to say that this position makes so much sense. I concede. You win this one

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I do want to post this, not because all atheist must be feminist (I was put in my place on this one), but for those questioning the fact that women are paid less for the same job. It is an interesting read

http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-SEB-91549

http://us11.campaign-archive1.com/?u=a5b...1ba99d671e

I've heard people on here say that radical feminists have no real power, so I was wondering what you all thought about this law that was passed in California:

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/30/how-...-everyone/





Now, I'm not 100% sure that this law wouldn't have been passed if not for radical feminists, but surely they did their damnedest to help get it passed.

I'm not super against that law. I think the ongoing thing is weird but I like the affirmative consent before hand.

I'm definitely in favor of the concept of affirmative consent, as I think the harm it is designed to prevent is among the most egregious wrongs of our present society; however, I fear how our justice system may immediately interpret it in the most broad and harsh way possible, as they do with most laws, and immediately start doing harm with it.

(October 20, 2015 at 9:41 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: I'm definitely in favor of the concept of affirmative consent, as I think the harm it is designed to prevent is among the most egregious wrongs of our present society; however, I fear how our justice system may immediately interpret it in the most broad and harsh way possible, as they do with most laws, and immediately start doing harm with it.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I ( and the creator of the video) think. Affirmative consent is good in theory, but if you try to legislate it, then...

Quote:Even proponents of these laws admit that they establish a presumption of guilt and strip the accused of due process protections. When asked how an innocent student could prove affirmative consent under the statute, Democratic assemblywoman Bonnie Lowenthal said, “Your guess is as good as mine.” Ezra Klein, editor-in-chief of Vox, admits that under affirmative consent “too much counts as sexual assault” and that innocent students will be branded as rapists. Yet he supports it anyway because “men need to feel a cold spike of fear.”

The Article Wrote:Even proponents of these laws admit that they establish a presumption of guilt and strip the accused of due process protections. When asked how an innocent student could prove affirmative consent under the statute, Democratic assemblywoman Bonnie Lowenthal said, “Your guess is as good as mine.” Ezra Klein, editor-in-chief of Vox, admits that under affirmative consent “too much counts as sexual assault” and that innocent students will be branded as rapists. Yet he supports it anyway because “men need to feel a cold spike of fear.”

Because everyone knows that an entitled, rich, 19 year old jock fratboy full of alcohol and testosterone is going to stop and say, "Oh, but wait, that new law about affirmative consent."



How about some legislation drilling the concept of AC into the heads of kids from the moment they start sex ed? I still think the tea video is the best one for "here, do you get it now?"

I recognize men and women aren't the same and personally see no issue that I, as a woman, am more talented in some areas and less in others than [most] men. Different anatomy, physiology, hormones levels, ability to get pregnant ect... If we were truly equal, we'd all be genetically identical self reproducing hermaphodities. As in most species, different genders have evolved to be more skilled in certain areas. If a woman, as an individual, can prove herself to be equal to a man in a certain situation than I don't think she should miss out on the opportunity strictly because she's a woman. However, this is often not the case (same goes for men in other areas) and it ends up being an under performer is treated "equally" in the name of 'equality' even though they aren't actually an equal contributor.

(October 20, 2015 at 7:11 pm)Losty Wrote: I get tired of the semantics. I am for equal rights and opportunities for all people. I am against sexism in all directions. Idgaf if you call me a feminist, SJW, egalitarian whatever I honestly do not care at all. Isn't time that all of us who are for equal rights and against social inequalities to stfu about the semantics?

Agreed. People spend more time arguing over who said the right thing in the right way instead of actually addressing whatever the issue is.

I also get tired of the attention whoring, where teenagers on the internet under this "social justice!" culture suddenly become experts on societal issues and have an opinion about everything. Some of these kids genuinely mean well I'm sure, most have no clue what they're talking about or how the world works and just want to be in the loop.

Then you have the "intersectional feminism" crowd with their selective outrage, who blow up at so-called "privileged people" for relatively trival things, while defending members of minority groups even when they say far worse shit. Prime example, I saw one blog write an article about "The lies Christianity tells about sex", and then shortly after try to claim it was a lie that Islam discriminates against the LGBT community.