(November 2, 2015 at 5:35 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(November 2, 2015 at 5:33 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Heaven could be fun for a while, assuming you had free will and could think and act for yourself. Unfortunately eventually you will have done everything that anyone could ever think of doing. Maybe it would take long enough that you forgot some thing you did a hundred years earlier, but who knows? eventually you would want to end it all. Immortality isn't very appealing, unless there's at least an off option at some point.

If immortality is a real thing id rather it be a huge do over once you die you get a new body you don't remember anything of your previous life.

I'd like to be able to remember stuff if I reincarnated, but I like the idea of living different lives instead of just one long life.

(November 2, 2015 at 5:44 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(November 2, 2015 at 5:41 pm)Evie Wrote: I'm glad heaven doesn't exist. Kind of pointless to go there to play video games when we've already got them here.

But what if they are way better in graphics, gameplay, etc : and umm you are in the game!

But in heaven there is no violent video games only a shittier version of mario party.

(November 2, 2015 at 6:30 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(November 2, 2015 at 5:35 pm)dyresand Wrote: If immortality is a real thing id rather it be a huge do over once you die you get a new body you don't remember anything of your previous life.

I'd like to be able to remember stuff if I reincarnated, but I like the idea of living different lives instead of just one long life.

Same here but it would be depressing to remember past lives thought.

Depends I think.

(November 2, 2015 at 5:22 pm)dyresand Wrote: Many people want to go to heaven but have you ever thought well once you got there and really took a good look around for a bit. It is supposedly a beautiful place with a beautiful scenery and by that logic it would be like that one place from the kid show my little  pony but really once you are there mind you if you had your free will wouldn't it be boring. I mean think about it the modern convinces we take for granted wouldn't exist in heaven neither will clothes for the most part. I mean it would be boring sure amazing for a few minutes but would get boring i mean no computer no cell phone no apps or games.  I mean you can worship god and talk to jesus or what ever but besides that it would be boring.

Quote:Matthew 19:14King James Version
14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

People generally have fond childhood memories, because for many, it was the happiest, most care free time of their lives. As a child I spent most of my time playing outdoors with friends, things like video games and such weren't even on my mind.

Also, we won't live in "heaven" we'll live right here on the earth, and we will have bodies with godlike capabilities..... but you're worried about computer games.

smh

(November 2, 2015 at 5:49 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: In the book of Jude and somewhere in the ot, we are told of angels that abandoned heaven and married mortal women. These angels will be cast into hell for their sin.

Now think, what was it about their heavenly experience that was so dissatisfying that they preferred to be with human women?  It’s like abandoning a seven course meal to go have a big mac attack.

We’re not even talking about the angels who rebelled with Satan.  No matter what the reason for their rebellion, the bottom line is they were not happy.  

If the beings who lived there weren’t happy, what makes us think we will be happy in a place we’ve never been?

That is a gross misinterpretation, the word "angel" simply means "messenger", this "messenger" could be either supernatural or human, usually the bible will specify a supernatural messenger by referring to it as an "angel of the Lord".

Jude states that

Quote:"it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints."

and

Quote:"the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The "angels which kept not their first estate" are messengers/preachers who kept not the original faith which was once delivered to the saints, but formed their own organizations/denominations (Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, etc.) and began teaching false doctrine.

For instance, the apostles baptized in the "name of Jesus Christ", yet just about every denomination baptizes in the "name of the father, son and holy spirit", which is not how it was originally done.

Unto them (those that teach false doctrine) is reserved "everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

No one wants to die. No matter what concept of an afterlife you possess, even those who believe in heaven aren't willing to die to get there.
(This is a paraphrase of what I heard someone else say a long time ago in a debate I watched. Just don't know who said it.)

(November 2, 2015 at 9:32 pm)heatiosrs Wrote: No one wants to die. No matter what concept of an afterlife you possess, even those who believe in heaven aren't willing to die to get there.
(This is a paraphrase of what I heard someone else say a long time ago in a debate I watched. Just don't know who said it.)

Really?

(November 2, 2015 at 10:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(November 2, 2015 at 9:32 pm)heatiosrs Wrote: No one wants to die. No matter what concept of an afterlife you possess, even those who believe in heaven aren't willing to die to get there.
(This is a paraphrase of what I heard someone else say a long time ago in a debate I watched. Just don't know who said it.)

Really?

It's quite different when you think you were ordered to die to get there, and just believing after you die you will get there.

I'm speaking of the people who hold a belief 100% true in their mind that an afterlife exists, and that it is better than their current life. They believe this in full, that death is something to look forward to, but they aren't willing to die to get there. This may come off as sick logic, and it's not a call to action for those who believe this as true. But for example, hypothetically if I knew and was 100% sure that heaven existed, and that heaven(based off the bible's desc.) is sooooo much better than my current life. I would have killed myself, I mean it seems unnecessary to stay in this life when I could eternally live in a better one right? Again, obviously people do believe this, and this is not some way of saying "well prove it". I just interpret, and think the quote means that everyone has some sense of doubt in their mind, regardless of the belief system.


Feeling you are obligated to kill yourself(which is what the people in the picture I assume believe), or service a higher power involving suicide is much different. I think it's very common to doubt what someone says, and still proceed to do it anyways simply because they are an "authority".

(November 2, 2015 at 10:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(November 2, 2015 at 9:32 pm)heatiosrs Wrote: No one wants to die. No matter what concept of an afterlife you possess, even those who believe in heaven aren't willing to die to get there.
(This is a paraphrase of what I heard someone else say a long time ago in a debate I watched. Just don't know who said it.)

Really?

What's the difference between those guys and regular soldiers in combat?  Both groups are being sent to their deaths.

(November 3, 2015 at 12:59 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: What's the difference between those guys and regular soldiers in combat?  Both groups are being sent to their deaths.

What's the difference? The difference is that those guys are brainwashed by religion into believing there is a paradise of virgins awaiting them on the other side after they go boom and kill as many people as possible. Regular soldiers aren't being sent to their deaths and aren't sent to massacre innocents (speaking for the U.S. military at least) though there have been many transgressions over the years. They are sent to do a job and safely return. I'm assuming you have a low opinion of U.S. military interventionism. I assure you that I do as well, but comparing regular soldiers to terrorist bombers is despicable.