My thoughts on heaven

[jenny1972]

Really?

It's quite different when you think you were ordered to die to get there, and just believing after you die you will get there.

I'm speaking of the people who hold a belief 100% true in their mind that an afterlife exists, and that it is better than their current life. They believe this in full, that death is something to look forward to, but they aren't willing to die to get there. This may come off as sick logic, and it's not a call to action for those who believe this as true. But for example, hypothetically if I knew and was 100% sure that heaven existed, and that heaven(based off the bible's desc.) is sooooo much better than my current life. I would have killed myself, I mean it seems unnecessary to stay in this life when I could eternally live in a better one right? Again, obviously people do believe this, and this is not some way of saying "well prove it". I just interpret, and think the quote means that everyone has some sense of doubt in their mind, regardless of the belief system.


Feeling you are obligated to kill yourself(which is what the people in the picture I assume believe), or service a higher power involving suicide is much different. I think it's very common to doubt what someone says, and still proceed to do it anyways simply because they are an "authority".

so you dont think that those "martyrs" are happy willing volunteers eager to get and anticipating their virgins in heaven ? the belief in martyrdom and life in heaven and the idea they are pleasing God is enough of an inspiration to  take their own lives and the lives of others . there is no government forcing people to become martyrs its religious indoctrination that does that and the belief that they will be rewarded in heaven .

[dyresand]

It's quite different when you think you were ordered to die to get there, and just believing after you die you will get there.

I'm speaking of the people who hold a belief 100% true in their mind that an afterlife exists, and that it is better than their current life. They believe this in full, that death is something to look forward to, but they aren't willing to die to get there. This may come off as sick logic, and it's not a call to action for those who believe this as true. But for example, hypothetically if I knew and was 100% sure that heaven existed, and that heaven(based off the bible's desc.) is sooooo much better than my current life. I would have killed myself, I mean it seems unnecessary to stay in this life when I could eternally live in a better one right? Again, obviously people do believe this, and this is not some way of saying "well prove it". I just interpret, and think the quote means that everyone has some sense of doubt in their mind, regardless of the belief system.


Feeling you are obligated to kill yourself(which is what the people in the picture I assume believe), or service a higher power involving suicide is much different. I think it's very common to doubt what someone says, and still proceed to do it anyways simply because they are an "authority".

so you dont think that those "martyrs" are happy willing volunteers eager to get and anticipating their virgins in heaven ? the belief in martyrdom and life in heaven and the idea they are pleasing God is enough of an inspiration to  take their own lives and the lives of others . there is no government forcing people to become martyrs its religious indoctrination that does that and the belief that they will be rewarded in heaven .

Those are clueless people who would gladly blow themselves up for their beliefs that they were brainwashed into. 
I mean think about it Jenny they are  in a country if you have the slightest common sense or any thought rather that goes against the overall 
belief system set by a theocracy people are killed or punish horribly. Let me also mention this no only there is grown men  and women blowing themselves up even children for fucks sake do that shit as well. Children mind you brainwashed children.. that kill themselves. Look up cults and indoctrination pretty much religion is a fucking cult enough said.

[abaris]

Sometimes I dream I am in a video game. I kind of hope in heaven we can play video games in the sense we are in it and acting the story out, even though we know it's not real. The same with massive multiplayer games, like we have a massive video game world, where it has a theme.

Like for example, Mechwarrior. Maybe we will be in giant robots even though we know none of it's real.

So you should definetely reconsider you believes. Walhalla might be more to your liking than what the Abrahamic gods have in stock.

[Edwardo Piet]

Yeah I mean Aqua is pretty good but I prefer Teal.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

What's the difference between those guys and regular soldiers in combat?  Both groups are being sent to their deaths.

What's the difference? The difference is that those guys are brainwashed by religion into believing there is a paradise of virgins awaiting them on the other side after they go boom and kill as many people as possible. Regular soldiers aren't being sent to their deaths and aren't sent to massacre innocents (speaking for the U.S. military at least) though there have been many transgressions over the years. They are sent to do a job and safely return. I'm assuming you have a low opinion of U.S. military interventionism. I assure you that I do as well, but comparing regular soldiers to terrorist bombers is despicable.

When you are in the military you are expected to obey orders without a second thought.  If you are on a submarine or a ship and it's in danger of sinking you may be ordered to seal off a hatch even if it results in your immediate death.  If you are on a patrol and come under fire you may be ordered to charge a machine gun nest even if you get shot to pieces.  Dead is dead regardless of how or why you ended up dead.  So if your are a suicide bomber or a regular soldier you are killing and being killed because someone else far removed from danger sees you as an expendable piece of meat for their own purposes.

BTW, the suicide bombers believe that they each get to intercede for 70 of their relatives by being a martyr so their delusions are more beneficial to them than a regular soldier's delusions are to him about "dying for his country".