(November 16, 2015 at 10:19 am)Kaiser Wrote: The Call of Duty games and their similarly massively popular ilk are the junk food of the gaming industry - cheaply-assembled formulaic fluff that sells a fucktillion copies and makes a cuntillion dollars, and is quickly disposed of and forgotten about. You don't hear an older CoD like World At War being lauded as a benchmark of gaming perfection these days, do you, despite it being a blockbuster when it landed? The ones that are remembered are the really, genuinely great games - the Mass Effects, the Skyrims, the Arkham City's, to name a few off the top of my head. Some have cult followings, such as Okami (the only game I've ever played that did Zelda better than Zelda itself), but are fondly and rightfully remembered as being classics.

Nostalgia is bullshit. Games have never been better.

I love this blurb from a review for Black Ops 3 on metacritic.

Quote:If you’d like to play a limp amalgamation of Deus Ex, Crysis, and BioShock with a multiplayer mode you’ve been able to play eight times in as many years, then Call of Duty: Black Ops III is definitely for you. For the rest of you, it’s just another condom of a game to be spunked into and thrown in the trash.

That sums it up perfectly.

(November 16, 2015 at 7:49 am)Evie Wrote: With the graphics... but not with the gameplay. I don't play a game to watch it like a movie.

Oh, please - we used to think Dragon's Lair games were good. At least - some people must have thought that, since they made a bunch of those. Personally - I don't think I ever got past the first or second screen.

If I had games with the sheer scope - not to mention multiplayer options - of something like Dark Souls, or Assassin's Creed - even without the modern graphics - back when I was a teenager, I'd have never graduated high-school.

(November 16, 2015 at 7:49 am)Evie Wrote: Gameplay on average used to be less formulaic and back in the 90s the level design was more important than the graphics and cutscenes.

Gameplay used to extremely formulaic. Sure - there were gems and milestones, here and there, but there was a massive number of clones, especially in popular genres, like platformers, or point-and-click adventures, the majority of which had pretty much the same mechanics.

(November 16, 2015 at 7:49 am)Evie Wrote: Making use of fewer tools used well and not just relying on technology, formula and gimmick can aid creativity IMHO.

Then there are plenty of new game developers, that employ this principle. I think you should look into more indie games. That's what I tend to do.

Although if your favorite games tend to be FPS, or RTS - you're pretty much screwed, because those genres seem to have burned out creatively, largely because there's only so much you can do with those particular sets of mechanics. Just like point-and-click adventures and platformers did before.

I think a lot of what has been mentioned is up to preference (of course!). I think the best improvement new games have had are the graphics. Mechanics, I would say, haven't changed that much. The most memorable games of today take something from the older games. I don't think that matters too much though, there has to be a start somewhere. Since the 80's and 90's everything has become a lot more complex, and in some cases convoluted. The games mentioned that are genuinely great I don't think will be remembered for as long as those that inspired them. Mass Effect was, in my opinion, decent, but I never got hooked, and although is has a loyal fan base it wont be played as much by younger generation as some of the classics. I can't say that for certain, but thats my personal guess. Two of the series also mention, Elder Scrolls and Fallout, are by Bethesda, and date back a long way. Skyrim uses the same mechanics as Daggerfall and Morrowind. More complex, but its very similar. On that note though, I still believe Oblivion is the best in the series. I think the games I would consider modern classics that will be played for a long time are games like Portal, World Of Warcraft, and COD4: Modern Warfare. Portal is fairly self explanatory, it is a very unique puzzle game that made creators rethink how to challenge gamers. WoW was Beta tested in 2004, which I would consider fairly modern, and took online gaming to a new level. And COD... well, sure its not as original anymore, but it all started with Modern Warfare. I can't think of another game since Half Life that inspired FPS's as much.  
Games like Dark Souls and Bloodbourne are on purposely hard, and I think what Evie was trying to get at is that older games don't try to be harder then every other game, it isn't the point in the game, unlike those too. Not saying its a bad thing, but i don't using those as examples of games that don't hold your hand was the great. 

Basically, I like modern games, but I feel it wasn't as ground breaking as Half Life, Warcraft, Goldeneye, Mario 64, Conkers Bad Fur Day, DooM, Gaunlet, Halo (2001 - some may disagree!), The SIMs, Duke Nukem, GTA, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Final Fantasy, MGS, Resident Evil, Wolfenstein, Zelda. 

Sure, I didn't talk about Space Invaders, Tron, Pac Man, Frogger, Pong, Tetris, Asteroids, but although they are incredibly important games, but I would say they aren't played the same as modern games.

(November 17, 2015 at 2:14 pm)blahman212 Wrote: Games like Dark Souls and Bloodbourne are on purposely hard, and I think what Evie was trying to get at is that older games don't try to be harder then every other game, it isn't the point in the game, unlike those too. Not saying its a bad thing, but i don't using those as examples of games that don't hold your hand was the great. 

I'm confused. Where did I say newer games were harder? Older games are much more difficult on average.

I saved a significant amount of money as a teen and purchased a Nintendo in 1986 (from Circuit City of all places). The next year I discovered fucking was a participant sport, which abruptly ended my gaming career.

My gaming has pretty much stopped but so has my fucking, currently. I've only ever had 1 GF though and I have been almost completely unsuccessful at getting casual sex, although I'd love to be able to do that successfully. I don't even particularly want a relationship. It sucks when I feel that entering a relationship is my only chance of getting sex, because I can't find anyone who likes me just for casual sex IRL who I am able to meet, yet at least.

(November 14, 2015 at 12:06 am)Evie Wrote: Older games are best. Especially the PC, especially Dos or the RTS games of the mid ninties to early 2000s. Also especially mega drive and the original Playstation.

Doom kicks ass. One of my favourite games ever, along with Heretic and HeXen.

Best game of all time for me is Age of Empires 2.

Yes!!!! Aoe 2

Evie,

There's a 'classic' game for you then. Practice your skills at soliciting casual sex with Leisure Suit Larry

(November 18, 2015 at 12:36 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Yes!!!! Aoe 2

To those who say Fallout 4 is addictive I ask of them: Are you about to play it for a year offline and then for 6 years online every single day without fail, for 8-12 hours every day?

Because that's what I did with AoE 2.

It's the game of all games, it's beyond gaming itself IMHO. If there was a such thing as heaven it would be the only game available to play and no one would ever tire of it. AoE2 + good music + a regular and exciting sex life would be my heaven.

That's some horrible advice, Cato.