(November 19, 2015 at 10:38 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: jeebus, you're fucking right. Some are just too naive to accept this. Let's hope we don't pay the price for that.

Yeah because there's definitely only one interpretation of Islam, and obviously it has to be the one that professes hatred.

Let's shield ourselves from the bad cruel world like little children in fear that "something bad" might happen.


Stop living in a bubble.

When did I say we should oppress anyone? I just don't want them in secular countries. You fools just don't get it. Everywhere they are their population % DIRECTLY translates to religious law. What part of that don't you get? The more Muslims the less secularism. Not the case with anyone else but Muslims. This isnt a race this is an ideology. Im not gonna say every single Muslim supports a theocracy but the evidence suggests most do. The small percentage of Muslims who don't will fall in line with the rest when their population reaches a tipping point. Go ahead and look up the laws in every single Muslim dominated country. This is a fact not an opinion and not a theory. In Muslim societies religion rules. No other religion comes close. Pakistan wasn't always Muslim majority, look at it now and look at its laws. This is a story played over and over and will continue to until they have their own enlightenment like the Christians. If you cant refute my claims then please at least refrain from putting words in my mouth.

(November 19, 2015 at 11:14 pm)jeebusmubummed Wrote: When did I say we should oppress anyone? I just don't want them in secular countries. You fools just don't get it. Everywhere they are their population % DIRECTLY translates to religious law. What part of that don't you get? The more Muslims the less secularism. Not the case with anyone else but Muslims. This isnt a race this is an ideology. Im not gonna say every single Muslim supports a theocracy but the evidence suggests most do. The small percentage of Muslims who don't will fall in line with the rest when their population reaches a tipping point. Go ahead and look up the laws in every single Muslim dominated country. This is a fact not an opinion and not a theory. In Muslim societies religion rules. No other religion comes close. Pakistan wasn't always Muslim majority, look at it now and look at its laws. This is a story played over and over and will continue to until they have their own enlightenment like the Christians. If you cant refute my claims then please at least refrain from putting words in my mouth.

Maybe that's because at the time when Islam was established as the major religion in all of those countries was back in a time when whenever a country was conquered the Dominant Religion of whom it's conquerors possessed would translate in to laws.

Oh and by that logic I guess we should just discriminate and outlaw every group of peoples from entering this country because we don't want to be exposed or influenced by them?


All in all though, I don't care that Islam is the most violent religion, it isn't a race, it is an ideology, following YOUR logic, why don't we take our disgust, distaste, and dislike out on the Ideology instead of the people who possess it.

Waging a war against people does not help dismantle the ideology they possess, like you believe so thoroughly is necessary.

Again your deflecting. Didnt say wage war either I said keep them out, and your fist statement is completely false. Again see Pakistan or Sudan, Mauritania, Somalia and Nigeria. None of which where turned Muslim majority in the times when religion was commonly spread by the sword. Look at the historical demographics of these countries and the laws that changed with them. Stop ignoring facts. I understand your instinct is to be inclusive to all and its an admirable trait but this religion is the exception. This religion should be isolated until it evolves. It is quite literally the most efficient tool ever created for world conquest. They are preying on our inclusive sensibilities and the value we place on diversity. You should know that of all the major religions only in Islam is lying condoned. You should know that there are videos of Muslim clerics saying flat out that they plan to destroy us (the west)from within, by immigrating and propagating and converting others until they have demographic power. If you allow Muslims to have demographic power, you can kiss secularism goodbye. Freedom of speech will be the first to go., and its already starting, A guy was arrested for quoting Winston Churchill about Islam http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-27186573 If this was about any other religion or lack thereof you think he would of been arrested? This is just the beginning.

We should extract only the secular people from muslim societies. Fortunately there are organizations in place that do that, like movements.org. If you're coming to Europe and you're a believing muslim and believe in the doctrines and know what they espouse you have no place in a civil society. It doesn't get more simple than that. But if you don't adhere to those values and appreciate secularism and tolerance then you do have a place.

Anyway, we're just talking here. And we're not about to go in the street and opress muslim people. That is ridiculous in it's own right.

(November 19, 2015 at 1:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The last times muslims emigrated to europe en mass....they civilized the place.  Just food for thought.

-I've wondered about this for awhile, I'll share.  Had the umma not been subjected to a resounding defeat and subsequent destruction of their civilization, they may not have had to come to terms with history, interrupted - as it were.  Might they have continued their progressive trend and saved medieval europe (and the modern middle east) from what we now see to be a hellish and prolonged collapse?

You might be giving the muslims too much credit.  It was the Jewish collaborators who were the brains behind the brawn, especially in Spain.  That's why Ferdinand & Isabella kick both groups out.

(November 20, 2015 at 12:20 am)jeebusmubummed Wrote: Again your deflecting. Didnt say wage war either I said keep them out, and your fist statement is completely false. Again see Pakistan or Sudan, Mauritania, Somalia and Nigeria. None of which where turned Muslim majority in the times when religion was commonly spread by the sword. Look at the historical demographics of these countries and the laws that changed with them. Stop ignoring facts. I understand your instinct is to be inclusive to all and its an admirable trait but this religion is the exception. This religion should be isolated until it evolves. It is quite literally the most efficient tool ever created for world conquest. They are preying on our inclusive sensibilities and the value we place on diversity. You should know that of all the major religions only in Islam is lying condoned. You should know that there are videos of Muslim clerics saying flat out that they plan to destroy us (the west)from within, by immigrating and propagating and converting others until they have demographic power. If you allow Muslims to have demographic power, you can kiss secularism goodbye. Freedom of speech will be the first to go., and its already starting, A guy was arrested for quoting Winston Churchill about Islam http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-27186573  If this was about any other religion or lack thereof you think he would of been arrested? This is just the beginning.

The Mongols had the muslims for a snack.

(November 19, 2015 at 10:18 pm)jeebusmubummed Wrote: I think some of you are failing to see the obvious. Islam is the motivation behind not only most of the terrorist attacks in the western world but also untold savagery the world over. and the only religion still completely opposed to secularism. Christians Buddhists Hindus etc have all accepted secularism by and large not completely but by and large. The only theocracies are Islamic. These theocracies and countries with Islamic jurisprudence directly correspond with the % of population which is Muslim. So it stands to reason, the more Muslims within any country, the closer it becomes to having blasphemy laws, apostasy laws etc... It is very rational to want to keep that away from ones society who values secularism and freedom.

 Given the higher Muslim birthrates and the declining birthrates of natives it stands to reason that the demographics of Muslims will become a powerful voting bloc eventually and once that happens, secularism will give way to laws aimed at appeasing Muslim religious sensibilities. They already have sharia courts for civil matters among Muslims. That is a slippery slope that will get steeper as their population % increases.

 Another thing is their influence among natives and other immigrants will increase. The population of Muslims alone cant be looked at in a vacuum. They will convert others on top of their own demographic increase. Daawa is their duty. If you value secularism, Islamic migration should scare the hell out of you. Its really not even about the terrorists. Its about the biggest threat to secularism in the world. If you cant see that then please take your head out of the sand.

Do you have three options to address the problem?

(November 20, 2015 at 2:34 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(November 19, 2015 at 10:18 pm)jeebusmubummed Wrote: I think some of you are failing to see the obvious. Islam is the motivation behind not only most of the terrorist attacks in the western world but also untold savagery the world over. and the only religion still completely opposed to secularism. Christians Buddhists Hindus etc have all accepted secularism by and large not completely but by and large. The only theocracies are Islamic. These theocracies and countries with Islamic jurisprudence directly correspond with the % of population which is Muslim. So it stands to reason, the more Muslims within any country, the closer it becomes to having blasphemy laws, apostasy laws etc... It is very rational to want to keep that away from ones society who values secularism and freedom.

 Given the higher Muslim birthrates and the declining birthrates of natives it stands to reason that the demographics of Muslims will become a powerful voting bloc eventually and once that happens, secularism will give way to laws aimed at appeasing Muslim religious sensibilities. They already have sharia courts for civil matters among Muslims. That is a slippery slope that will get steeper as their population % increases.

 Another thing is their influence among natives and other immigrants will increase. The population of Muslims alone cant be looked at in a vacuum. They will convert others on top of their own demographic increase. Daawa is their duty. If you value secularism, Islamic migration should scare the hell out of you. Its really not even about the terrorists. Its about the biggest threat to secularism in the world. If you cant see that then please take your head out of the sand.

Do you have three options to address the problem?

I only have one, keep Muslims out of secular countries until they evolve with the rest of the world. Eventually, given time they will evolve but I prefer that in the meantime their poisonous and regressive influence be limited to their own countries. If religion is a sickness and I believe it is, bhuddism would be like the flu, Christianity like herpes and Islam would be full blown aids, or worse the bubonic plague.

(November 19, 2015 at 11:14 pm)jeebusmubummed Wrote: When did I say we should oppress anyone? I just don't want them in secular countries. You fools just don't get it. Everywhere they are their population % DIRECTLY translates to religious law. What part of that don't you get? The more Muslims the less secularism. Not the case with anyone else but Muslims.

Yup, but you don't want to oppress anyone. It's obvious, going by the above statement.

Could you be so kind as to give any examples of religious laws being introduced because of 4 to 5 percent muslims in any given country. I would be really curious and of course, someone as informed and not oppressive as you, will have his facts at the tip of his fingers.