Benzos are fucking disgusting. I had a little friend girl online once, she was addicted to benzos aka opiates. They're nothing more than addictive drugs. She turned to heroin because she was out of benzos, I'm not sure how much she's into that now. She did a lot of other drugs as well, but she went from being a sweetheart who I loved, to a psychopathic vile bitch. All because of her opiate addiction. All she would do besides opiates would try to overdose a bunch of times and kill herself. You can thank benzos for the death of my former best friend, because she's only 18 and she's bound to die really soon.

(November 20, 2015 at 4:01 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: Benzos are fucking disgusting. I had a little friend girl online once, she was addicted to benzos aka opiates. They're nothing more than addictive drugs. She turned to heroin because she was out of benzos, I'm not sure how much she's into that now. She did a lot of other drugs as well, but she went from being a sweetheart who I loved, to a psychopathic vile bitch. All because of her opiate addiction. All she would do besides opiates would try to overdose a bunch of times and kill herself.

So, because you know one person who became addicted and a bitch as a result, benzos are disgusting across the board and nothing more than addictive drugs for anyone. They don't help anyone at all.

Yeah. You really need to grow up.

I'm going to just go back to my point I made earlier and say that the drugs they have currently don't fix anything. The only way to really fix things is to change the molecular structure of our brains. We have things in progress that are very underground right now called gene therapy, which obviously hasn't gotten much attention. If you can isolate the genes responsible for the malfunction, you can send different proteins to the area attached to virus cells designed to go to the specific area. I know it's all very hypothetical sounding, but according to a lecture on the subject I watched before it has actually happened. I would suggest that anyone who's skeptical about the subject to go watch that lecture video I posted. I'm not an expert on it, but what I've heard sure as hell makes a lot more sense than the current treatments we have in modern medicine.

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And yes, from what I have heard aging is an illness because it is reversible and if you die of an illness you're not dying of natural causes.

Gene therapy, if or when available, will likely be used in conjunction with medication, and suggestions of healthy living/positive habits.  Just like your doctor will advise heart surgery, proscribe you medicine...and suggest that you exercise and lay off the smokes.  I don't thank many doctors see treatment as a "pick one" situation, so I don't know why anyone else would see it that way.    

If a person has a problem, and there's something that will help them with that problem, ofc they should avail themselves of whatever that thing is.  In cases, for example, where the treatment "makes a person a bitch"(?) - consider that being a bitch is likely the lesser of the two evils....and it's unlikely that how we see a person matters very much to them when making that decision.

(November 20, 2015 at 3:42 pm)MentalGiant Wrote:

Quote:I do have some defense of psychologists though. I have found that having someone to talk to can be helpful. Going in and having a place to talk about what's on your mind, is something that isn't easy to come by if it's not with a psychologist. Most people don't care and a psychologist can sit down with you and won't say anything judgmental to you about what you have to say. It can be a good place to go in with some thoughts that have been bothering you, then lay them out and look at them in a way that's not difficult to deal with. 

I look at this as more of a differing opinion as individuals, as it is helpful for some people to see psychiatrists/psychologists/therapists. I am not one of them though. Personally, I cannot stand the thought of paying someone to essentially pretend to care. Nor am I fond of the flowery PC bullshit they spew back at you in response to everything as not to seem 'judgmental' or 'offensive'. I just don't find it helpful or insightful. I do find it pretty irritating if not outright insulting to be coddled for a hefty fee. 

Quote:As far as means of trying to naturally fix the issues. I try to eat the healthiest diet that is even conceivably available to man. I only buy foods that I research and discover have a very high amount of beneficial nutrition. I don't eat anything bad. Has that really helped me? Well it has in many ways, but it hasn't really gotten rid of the issue of anxiety that still sometimes comes up.

I strongly agree here. I find a healthy diet and lifestyle more makes anxiety easier to deal with when it does crop up. When you feel like shit, have no energy and you start feeling anxious and panicky, that'll put you in a really bad spot where it's harder to cope. When your feeling good, energized, 'lively' and you start feeling the anxiety come up, it's just easier to take a deep breath, do some calming mental checklists (or at least I find that very helpful personally) and bring it back under control. I think a lot of people who feel anxiety and depression would benefit greatly from a healthier diet and lifestyle (especially more b-vitamin rich foods and more sun exposure/D3 supplements, of which a great many people are lacking).

Quote:I find that when I am at my happiest is when I am not really talking to anyone, not really engaging in any discussions online. Sometimes I will wake up in the middle of the night and I will have people writing replies to me in my sleep and it wakes me up. That's probably because I spend so much time on the internet. I always imagined that if I had some people to spend time with then that would alleviate so much of my stress. I always just wanted to have some friends that I could love and make me feel loved and accepted. I just find people hard to deal with in general though.

I perceive in the illogical part of my brain that I "should" have lots of "friends" NOT because I genuinely crave social interaction with numerous people I find to be little more than warm bodies, rather that society tells me I should want a large social group. It took me a long time to come to terms with the fact it's OK not to be a hyper-social person no matter how much society says you should. I don't do anything harmful, bothersome or illegal by being a bit of a loner. I just don't feel I am interested in the same things as most other people, I don't share many of the same opinions, I don't feel inclined to act/speak/dress in certain ways or to conform to many societal 'norms'. Social situations really just make me guilt ridden and anxious for not forcing myself to be someone I'm not. I have, over time, learned to accept and love myself as I am and that I don't need others to validate me as a person nor my actions. If you like me for me, maybe we can be friends. If not, fuck off. To me, relationships are about quality, not quantity and I'm not going to lie or act different so some person accepts me. You have know yourself and accept yourself for who you are before you can find others who genuinely love and accept you (and it'll help weed out the ones are just looking to get something out of you).

I just wanted to add that I have met some of those stupid PC psychologists before. I have met with about 4 psychologists in my adult life in the past few years. My current one is very intellectual and experienced. I can tell that she's not going to pull some propaganda crap on me, like my last one who tried to explain the "dangers of marijuana" to me. She's someone who I can sit down and talk to about basically anything that's on my mind and she can often come up with insightful points of view, if not help me just explain to her what is going on in my life. We spend a lot of time talking about politics and philosophy when I'm discussing stuff with her, or maybe just some music that I've been listening or anime or something. It's always come across as a bit sketchy to me, psychology, but I'd rather have that than have absolutely nothing. At least my parents insurance pays for it.

In my experience, doctors need to prescribe whatever medication they consider suitable, then tweak the dosage or even the formulation based on the patient's experience of it. Insert Big Pharma conspiracy card here, if you like, but it's more about doing what's right for the patient than any IllumiBilderberg fantasy.

And before I get accused of lining the pockets of fat cat doctors, bear in mind that I live in a country where medical treatment is free at the point of use. We do have charges for filling prescriptions, which can be expensive for a lot of people and has been a focus of controversy, but at the same time millions of people fall into categories which make them exempt from even that.

How do these meds make the symptoms bearable? A cast is on the outside of my body, but meds are inside changing the way my body works.

I like the way my mind works. The thought of putting something in my body that will change the way my mind responds and operates is unthinkable.

So, hell to the no.

I'm nearly certain that people who are happy with the way their mind is working don't seek out these drugs or treatments.  More power to you, and more power to them.

(November 20, 2015 at 4:38 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: How do these meds make the symptoms bearable? A cast is on the outside of my body, but meds are inside changing the way my body works.

You could just as easily ask "how does this cast make my broken leg bearable? It's on the outside of my body, but the bones are inside. Similar to the way a painkiller masks a headache, or period pains, by relieving the person of the distress of the symptoms, the body can then get on with the task of sorting itself out. In the case of anti-anxiety medication, that sorting out might come in the form of therapy.

Make no mistake: were it not for my medication and therapy at the time I had them, I would most definitely have continued my suicide attempts until - well, I don't have to spell it out.

(November 20, 2015 at 3:54 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: Here's the lecture about gene therapy btw, mh.brewer.

OK, watched the vid. I found it to be less of a lecture on gene therapy and more of a sales pitch. How often during a medical lecture does the audience applaud and cheer?

Oh, I know. Here is the organization she was speaking to. They sound perfectly rational: https://www.peopleunlimitedinc.com/jimbernie/

BTW, Liz has no medical qualifications. From what I gather she appears to be on the financial/fund rasing side.

OK, back to sucking big pharma dick. Her company, BioViva, is the essence of big pharma. Look at their partners, look at their advisory board and who they are associated with. Look at what they are manufacturing. I've got no problem with big pharma. Without it we wouldn't have the medicinal advances that we enjoy today. If you're promoting this company sounds like you want to be a dick sucker also.

The company website: http://bioviva-science.com/

Her Linkedin profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/liz-parrish-73870629

An independent review: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/542...e-therapy/

It appears that she is making some undocumented claims. They may be true, they may not be.