(November 25, 2015 at 10:51 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Hitler arrives in Hell, Hell is now not only an abyss of everlasting misery and screaming anguish, now Hitler is there too! It is Hell plus Hitler, whereas before, it was Hell minus Hitler.
Hell plus Hitler sounds like a worse place to me than Hell minus Hitler, because Hitler is there, and he's Hitler. Hitler makes Hell a worse place by his presence, which means that it wasn't truly Hell until Hitler showed up, and in fact, if this place exists, it still isn't Hell because there are plenty of sinners yet to go there and make it worse.

Considering that, as I understand it, God plans to end the world at some point, and from that point forward, all the people who ever lived will either be in Heaven or Hell. This means that God is working with a finite number of people. If there are a finite amount of sinners in Hell, then there is also a theoretical infinite amount, it is always possible to add an additional sinner and increase the horribleness of Hell, in terms of the amount of sin present (sin being apparently innate in humans) as well as the amount of suffering being inflicted.
God can never make Hell the worst place imaginable, no matter how many sinners are in Hell, he can always only add one more, infinitely.

No Hitler isn't  in hell if anything Hitler is in heaven along with the lives of the SS and Allied soldiers in WW2 because they were Christians.

To be honest heaven wouldn't be a place anyone would want to be. The obvious thing is
you would turn into a really sociopathic being if a heaven existed.

Apparently you get turned into a mindless automaton in heaven, which is precisely what God wanted to avoid in the first place (so I hear). You get your free will taken away, so that you can't sin. You also get fucked up in the head so you can be happy all the time while knowing that everyone who isn't with you is being tortured forever. Or you just forget they ever existed I guess.

It's easy to make shit up about imaginary things, even giving them contradictory attributes, because they never get challenged by reality. You're never forced to face and reconcile these ideas.

(November 26, 2015 at 9:00 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(November 25, 2015 at 10:51 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:

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Hitler arrives in Hell, Hell is now not only an abyss of everlasting misery and screaming anguish, now Hitler is there too! It is Hell plus Hitler, whereas before, it was Hell minus Hitler.
Hell plus Hitler sounds like a worse place to me than Hell minus Hitler, because Hitler is there, and he's Hitler. Hitler makes Hell a worse place by his presence, which means that it wasn't truly Hell until Hitler showed up, and in fact, if this place exists, it still isn't Hell because there are plenty of sinners yet to go there and make it worse.

Considering that, as I understand it, God plans to end the world at some point, and from that point forward, all the people who ever lived will either be in Heaven or Hell. This means that God is working with a finite number of people. If there are a finite amount of sinners in Hell, then there is also a theoretical infinite amount, it is always possible to add an additional sinner and increase the horribleness of Hell, in terms of the amount of sin present (sin being apparently innate in humans) as well as the amount of suffering being inflicted.
God can never make Hell the worst place imaginable, no matter how many sinners are in Hell, he can always only add one more, infinitely.

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No Hitler isn't  in hell if anything Hitler is in heaven along with the lives of the SS and Allied soldiers in WW2 because they were Christians.

Very likely, though considering that, I suppose burning in Hell knowing that Hitler is in Heaven is a worse kind of Hell in ways, and expanding on that, burning in Hell with the knowledge that all of the cruelest, most evil people in history are watching from the eternal bliss of Heaven is an even greater Hell than a Hell filled with those evil people, that's the most profoundly terrible injustice that I can imagine. Wouldn't Hell need to be filled with all the good people and Heaven with the bad for it to truly be Hell?

(November 26, 2015 at 9:13 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:

(November 26, 2015 at 9:00 pm)dyresand Wrote: No Hitler isn't  in hell if anything Hitler is in heaven along with the lives of the SS and Allied soldiers in WW2 because they were Christians.

Very likely, though considering that, I suppose burning in Hell knowing that Hitler is in Heaven is a worse kind of Hell in ways, and expanding on that, burning in Hell with the knowledge that all of the cruelest, most evil people in history are watching from the eternal bliss of Heaven is an even greater Hell than a Hell filled with those evil people, that's the most profoundly terrible injustice that I can imagine. Wouldn't Hell need to be filled with all the good people and Heaven with the bad for it to truly be Hell?

The irony of engineers going to hell they would make things better for everyone there.

(November 25, 2015 at 11:48 am)Chad32 Wrote: You're telling we can? I'm sure I can find another christian who tells me he can too, but if I get you both in a room you won't agree on some of the things this one guy is telling you. So either it's not really true, or Jesus is really crappy at communication. Hence the wars between christians on how to properly worship the same god.

Quote:I'm afraid that claiming to know things you didn't know before isn't really proof, because there's no way for the rest of us to really test it.

But their is. What was given me is not meant just for me. If you or anyone else want what I have, then all one need to is seek god on his terms.

Again, the 'proof' God gives is not to force anyone who does not want to believe, but to assure the one who sought God as he was told. In essence my 'proof' was for me. If you want 'proof' He will taylor exactly what you need to establish and maintain a relationship with you. Knoweledge of god is apart of that, but it is not the end of it. It just depends on what you need. Doubting Thomas needed to stick His hands in the wounds of Christ and He got what he needed. I need understanding. I needed to know how things worked. that is what I got. God will give you exactly what you need if you will approach him as He instructs.

Quote: People have made careers out of supposedly knowing things they shouldn't, and called themselves psychics, but that's still not very consistent.

the difference between me and them, is what I'm given to understand is all verifiable. that is all I do is verify what I've been given.

Quote:I may have said this before, but if someone wants a relationship with me, they have to initiate it. No god has initiated a conversation with me on a level I've been able to notice and show to other people.

So if the PotUS left an open invitation which you come to find out later by someone else like you that you qualify for a personal relationship with him, you'd stick by your "if someone wants a relationship with me.." guns?
I'm mean really? If someone like you said that hey look man you qualify to be "X" for the PotUS and all you have to do is qualify yourself by ABC, and you got full access to the PotUS You'd say the PotUS need come beg you?

I'm not even a Obama fan, but I think I would seriously consider the offer if it did not cost me anything.

Quote:Oh, the killing an immortal part. ok. How could an immortal being atone for the crime of killing an immortal? Community service. Doing favors for the family. Though if it's the whole species, then doing good for the next species? I don't know about specifics. Burning someone alive for eternity has no constructive result. It's just watching someone scream in agony endlessly.

So.. If a single Immortal being took the lives of every single being in an entire species who will ever be, who otherwise would themselves be immortal, by burning them in Hell fire you do not feel that "an eye for an Eye" would be fair punishment?

Now lets tack on the rest of our story. Now lets say your in a position to resurrect 1/3 to 1/2 of those beings that your 'immortal' buddy killed via Hell fire. What would you do with the murderer then? do you let him loose to corrupt and kill those in whom you resurrected? or do you permanently separate them?

Quote:Free will is being able to act the way you want to act. Having autonomy. Granted being able to think your own thoughts is needed to act how you want to act, but it doesn't mean having complete control over the thoughts you have. People should be judged by their actions. Not their thoughts. That's why I think the god of the bible is evil. He says he's the good guy, but he acts like a psycho.

So... Judge people on their actions and not their thoughts huh?

Syrian refugees.. you ready to have a few stay with you till we get this whole back ground check sorted out?

Before you answer like a leftist nut bag who does not understand the true nature of the question know this:

Sunni Muslims have a common world view. In that they have been tasked by their god to take it over. Now, they have one of three ways to do this. 1) to sit down and convert someone to islam
2) If a people in a region are docile/non confrontive they are to move into that area and simply out breed the residence, and with in a generation or two overthrow the host government.
3)Jihad.

Now, ISIS are Sunni Jihadists. (they are not extremists nor are they outside of the rules of their religion/That is why 'moderate muslims' do not openly condemn them) Your basic refugee is a Sunni 'breeder.' Male Sunni breeder... What happens to the 'breeder' mentality when these guys move to western countries and find out that girls from the home land are far and few between, western women will not convert to islam, wear those black circus tents, and serve and service their husbands like they did back home? What do you think will happen with the 'thoughts' of a man who's only hope of heaven requires Him to take over the world by either out breeding, converting 'atheists'/you guys, or killing infidels?

So again, if you think it is wrong to judge thought, are you read to move a few of those 18-35 Sunni syerians into your home till the rest of us figure out he is indeed a "breeder"/Jihadist Bomb waiting to go off, or if he is a full on jihadist pretending to be a breeder..

Or did you mean YOU shouldn't be judged by YOUR thoughts?

(November 25, 2015 at 1:12 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(November 25, 2015 at 9:59 am)Drich Wrote: .....

Post #26 dummy

I had already answered you in post 26.

(November 25, 2015 at 10:51 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Hitler arrives in Hell, Hell is now not only an abyss of everlasting misery and screaming anguish, now Hitler is there too! It is Hell plus Hitler, whereas before, it was Hell minus Hitler.
Hell plus Hitler sounds like a worse place to me than Hell minus Hitler, because Hitler is there, and he's Hitler. Hitler makes Hell a worse place by his presence, which means that it wasn't truly Hell until Hitler showed up, and in fact, if this place exists, it still isn't Hell because there are plenty of sinners yet to go there and make it worse.

Considering that, as I understand it, God plans to end the world at some point, and from that point forward, all the people who ever lived will either be in Heaven or Hell. This means that God is working with a finite number of people. If there are a finite amount of sinners in Hell, then there is also a theoretical infinite amount, it is always possible to add an additional sinner and increase the horribleness of Hell, in terms of the amount of sin present (sin being apparently innate in humans) as well as the amount of suffering being inflicted.
God can never make Hell the worst place imaginable, no matter how many sinners are in Hell, he can always only add one more, infinitely.

I'm sure your a great ape philosopher where you come from, but this is all bunko, pu-doo, Shitesa. Hell is the mechnisim in which God uses to destroy the soul. look at Hell as a meat grinder (what is use to make sausage/hamburger.) Now, do you think the meat grinder changes in any way shape or form if chicken, beef or pork is run through it? Does the meat grinder 'better or worse' depending on which or how much meat is run through it? No of course not. it has one purpose and it is not change/made worse by what meat you run through it.

(November 26, 2015 at 9:00 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(November 25, 2015 at 10:51 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Hitler arrives in Hell, Hell is now not only an abyss of everlasting misery and screaming anguish, now Hitler is there too! It is Hell plus Hitler, whereas before, it was Hell minus Hitler.
Hell plus Hitler sounds like a worse place to me than Hell minus Hitler, because Hitler is there, and he's Hitler. Hitler makes Hell a worse place by his presence, which means that it wasn't truly Hell until Hitler showed up, and in fact, if this place exists, it still isn't Hell because there are plenty of sinners yet to go there and make it worse.

Considering that, as I understand it, God plans to end the world at some point, and from that point forward, all the people who ever lived will either be in Heaven or Hell. This means that God is working with a finite number of people. If there are a finite amount of sinners in Hell, then there is also a theoretical infinite amount, it is always possible to add an additional sinner and increase the horribleness of Hell, in terms of the amount of sin present (sin being apparently innate in humans) as well as the amount of suffering being inflicted.
God can never make Hell the worst place imaginable, no matter how many sinners are in Hell, he can always only add one more, infinitely.

No Hitler isn't  in hell if anything Hitler is in heaven along with the lives of the SS and Allied soldiers in WW2 because they were Christians.

who says?

(November 27, 2015 at 11:59 am)Drich Wrote:

(November 26, 2015 at 9:00 pm)dyresand Wrote: No Hitler isn't  in hell if anything Hitler is in heaven along with the lives of the SS and Allied soldiers in WW2 because they were Christians.

who says?

Because Hitler accepted jesus that's why once you get "saved" all your  sins go away so there. 
Hitler along with terrible people who did terrible things that  accepted jesus get a free pass into heaven.