(December 2, 2015 at 1:30 am)Heat Wrote:

(December 2, 2015 at 1:29 am)bennyboy Wrote: My vote is on the Matrix, and I want to take this opportunity to welcome our alien overlords.

And then once we die in the Matrix we realize we're in a double Matrix.

And then I get out of my 20s, stop doing LSD, and start collecting tools instead.

(December 1, 2015 at 10:44 pm)Kitan Wrote: The imagination only creates that which is fictional.

I disagree. Imagination can be the starting point for all kinds of things/ideas that end up to be non fictional. Doesn't any invention start with imagination? What about hypothesis? What about thought experiments?
I think it depends on the individual and what they want to imagine, and then where they take it.

(December 2, 2015 at 1:31 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(December 1, 2015 at 10:44 pm)Kitan Wrote: The imagination only creates that which is fictional.

I disagree. Imagination can be the starting point for all kinds of things/ideas that end up to be non fictional. Doesn't any invention start with imagination? What about hypothesis? What about thought experiments?
I think it depends on the individual and what they want to imagine, and then where they take it.

Unless you are planning on "inventing" unicorns, where are you going with this? Tell me you don't have a narwhal and a pony locked in your basement lab of horrors!

At first I thought it might be a confused variation of Anslem's ontological argument. Then I figured out it was just confused.

(December 2, 2015 at 7:07 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Unless you are planning on "inventing" unicorns, where are you going with this?  Tell me you don't have a narwhal and a pony locked in your basement lab of horrors!

No, no, no. I'm using tonylang quantum entanglement. My entangled self is not in my basement. Unless I hide every time I turn on the light. Shit, what if I let my quantum self know that I'm coming by thinking about me going to the basement. I think I'll try mind numbing inebriation next time I go down and see what happens. My guess is gravity.

Don't you have to imagine a wheel before you invent it? Don't you have to imagine a pull tab to eliminate the church key?

I'm imagining the lead singer of Muse getting beat in the face with a tire iron.
Is that real too?

(December 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: At first I thought it might be a confused variation of Anslem's ontological argument. Then I figured out it was just confused.

Thanks Chad. Didn't know what that was. Read and rejected.

(December 2, 2015 at 8:28 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: I'm imagining the lead singer of Muse getting beat in the face with a tire iron.
Is that real too?

By you? Only if you have the ability to put the imagined into practice/action. I have my doubts, this remains imaginary.

(December 2, 2015 at 8:31 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(December 2, 2015 at 8:28 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: I'm imagining the lead singer of Muse getting beat in the face with a tire iron.
Is that real too?

By you? Only if you have the ability to put the imagined into practice/action. I have my doubts, this remains imaginary.

Do I have the option of putting God into practice/action? If not why is the God concept exempt from that pre-requisite? 
And lets not get into any "God is love" bullshit because that just demeans everyone. God is God for the sake of this conversation.

(December 2, 2015 at 8:37 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Do I have the option of putting God into practice/action? If not why is the God concept exempt from that pre-requisite? 
And lets not get into any "God is love" bullshit because that just demeans everyone. God is God for the sake of this conversation.

Bold mine. Of course you do, and the extent that you and others believe your action/practice is reality will depend on how convincing you are. Again, by you, I have serious doubts.

Somethings that can be imagined can be turned into reality, some can't. My point is that all imagination is not necessarily fantasy. However, if you want to define it as fantasy imagine then no, the imagined can't become reality.

Are we through?