I've been saying that all along. But people like a chew toy.

(December 26, 2015 at 9:23 am)Stimbo Wrote: No, what sex is the Universe? You say it's analogous to the human body. Complete the analogy.

Wrong Stim.
I said that we and the universe got the same elements such as matter, water, energy, air and space
therefore we both are bodies but a body doesn't necessary have to be made of flesh as us humans.  

(December 26, 2015 at 9:47 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(December 26, 2015 at 9:23 am)Stimbo Wrote: No, what sex is the Universe? You say it's analogous to the human body. Complete the analogy.

Wrong Stim.
I said that we and the universe got the same elements such as matter, water, energy, air and space
therefore we both are bodies but a body doesn't necessary have to be made of flesh as us humans.  

Of course not. Some bodies are made from the scraps of poorly formed analogies.

Therefore the "body" of the Universe doesn't necessarily require a mind. You just burned your own strawman.

(December 26, 2015 at 10:06 am)Stimbo Wrote: Therefore the "body" of the Universe doesn't necessarily require a mind. You just burned your own strawman.

Wrong again Stim.
NDEs tell us that the consciousness can be there without a body.
The mind doesn't necessary need a body but a body to exist need a mind.  


Night.

Now we're back to your ludicrous and debunked assertions which don't even mention anything about "Universe". Stick that sign up your arse, along with your condescension - you have no idea what logic even is.

(December 26, 2015 at 8:00 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(December 26, 2015 at 2:48 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Another one of these? It's Christmas, dipshit, not April Fool's Day.
So let me get this straight...because the Universe contains matter and our bodies contain matter, the Universe must be conscious? Is that really what you're saying?
That is ludicrous, and you are an ignoramus.

Stop it there beanie.
You already perform your clown show in the local market.
Now you are home so act like a normal human being if you can.
1) The universe and we human are made not only of matter but also of water, energy, air and space.
2) The universe and our body can not possibly be conscious really.
It is we that we are conscious and therefore it make sense that also the mind behind the universe is conscious.
Atheism never came up with solid evidence that the universe can run itself and therefore it make sense to opt for the theory that make more sense which is that a body need a mind to run it.  

1) Water and air are both types of matter, shit-stick.

2) More gibberish, like always.


For one thing, you're presuming there's a "mind behind the Universe," even though there's no evidence of that.


For another, Atheism isn't responsible for finding evidence of anything; science, on the other hand, has plenty of evidence to demonstrate that natural processes are automatic and do not require the intervention of a deity, mind, or anything else.

(December 25, 2015 at 5:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: Well, well, i was thinking what present should i give to my little mates from the atheist forum
for Christmas so i came up with something a bit unusual that i am sure will help you to understand
better how the whole system works.  
Let us talk about the universe.
Atheists in general think that the universe can do without a mind or God but wait a minute guys.
The universe has got what we also humans got.
It has matter, water, heat-light-energy, air and space.
We, beside our body also got a mind and a consciousness so why this universal body should also not have
a mind and consciousness that control it?
Have you ever seen a body alive without a head?  
Even a zombie got a head (whether it works is a different story) but a head-mind-consciousness is there anyway wherever there is a body.
So, just guess what this controlling mind suppose to be?
You never thought about it, did you guys?  

WTF?! Why don't you go do some research on that question of
whether or not zombie heads work, and come back to us as soon as you have found the answer.

(December 25, 2015 at 5:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: Well, well, i was thinking what present should i give to my little mates from the atheist forum
for Christmas so i came up with something a bit unusual that i am sure will help you to understand
better how the whole system works.  
Let us talk about the universe.
Atheists in general think that the universe can do without a mind or God but wait a minute guys.
The universe has got what we also humans got.
It has matter, water, heat-light-energy, air and space.
We, beside our body also got a mind and a consciousness so why this universal body should also not have
a mind and consciousness that control it?
Have you ever seen a body alive without a head?  
Even a zombie got a head (whether it works is a different story) but a head-mind-consciousness is there anyway wherever there is a body.
So, just guess what this controlling mind suppose to be?
You never thought about it, did you guys?  

You really are getting desperate, aren't you?

Your latest is one of the most obviously flawed analogies I think I've ever read. Just because 2 things being compared have some similarities, does not mean you can come to any sort of conclusion about what other things they may have in common.

A pond full of dirty water has matter, water, heat-light-energy, air and space, just like the universe has. A pond full of dirty water does not have a head (or consciousness). Therefore, the universe doesn't either. See, I just proved that there is no mind controlling the universe.

Here is a term you may want to look into, and use from time to time, "critical thinking".

(December 26, 2015 at 8:20 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(December 25, 2015 at 3:59 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: No it does not.  The universe is only analogous to a human being, and it's a piss poor analogy.


The elements aren't arranged in the same way as in a human so they don't function like a human.
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You don't establish truths by making bad analogies.

Look at this yogini..........There are actually many aspects and attributes between the universe and the human body.

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The human body is an enclosed form just as the universe is, despite it being unimaginably vast
The human body is expandable and the universe is also
The human body is made of an unimaginably vast number of cells just as the universe is full of an incalculable number of stars
The human body is always in motion on a molecular, cellular and atomic scale and the universe is also in constant motion within
The human body has many pores and several relatively large orifices just as the universe has many black holes
The human body has electrical impulses throughout just as the universe has electrical energy throughout it as well
The human body consumes energy and matter just as the black holes of the universe
The human body is made of interwoven layers of skin and muscle just as the universe is interwoven in energy layers called the fabric of space
The human body consists mostly of water and the universe contains hydrogen as its most abundant element. Just as the human body contains about 70% water so too the universe contains about 70% hydrogen
The human body developed from a single cell and the universe is said to have developed from the singularity
The human body expanded from conception just as the universe expanded from the singularity


https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...548AA6G127

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Did you not read what I wrote? Let me repeat it for you since you seem to be deaf.

You don't establish truths by making bad analogies.

(December 26, 2015 at 9:47 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(December 26, 2015 at 9:23 am)Stimbo Wrote: No, what sex is the Universe? You say it's analogous to the human body. Complete the analogy.

Wrong Stim.
I said that we and the universe got the same elements such as matter, water, energy, air and space
therefore we both are bodies but a body doesn't necessary have to be made of flesh as us humans.  

The body may be like the universe in many ways, but unlike it in the ways that you are analogizing it has a mind. That is the problem with analogies as proofs of things: you can't tell from the analogy whether or not the analogy holds with respect to the characteristic in question. Your pointing out that the universe is like the body in some ways is not evidence that the universe is like a body in all ways, and in particular, in the specific way that the body has a mind. This is why your entire argument for the universe having a mind fails. In addition you are engaged in cherry picking the ways that your analogy applies. If the analogy is intended to extend to unknowns like the universe having a mind, you're not free to pick and choose the ways in which the body and universe are alike. It's an all or nothing deal, and your cherry picking makes it another failure.

On top of that, there are many bodies without minds; they are dead. How do you know the universe is not also like a dead body, with no mind? You don't. You again cherry picked which types of bodies applied to your analogy. Again you fail.

While we're busy chatting, what is it with you and all the condescension? You've told me that I'm not spiritually wise person because I am not humble. If that's the hallmark of a spiritually wise person, then your constant insults mark you as a complete spiritual ignoramus. So what's with all the insults?