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January 4, 2016 at 10:03 am (This post was last modified: January 4, 2016 at 10:06 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 4, 2016 at 8:22 am)pool Wrote: Okay, I get it now.
The problem with my usage of design is that it can be interpreted as however I like. Right?
IMO..? No, the problem with your usage of design is that it means nothing.
Quote:Main points:
* Design implies intelligent action.
Sure. I'd hazard to say that design requires intelligent action, as design -is- an intelligent action.
Quote:* Resemblance of a design due to natural causes is not a design because of its fluctuating constraints.
So, a "design" arrived at by natural forces, say, evolutionary forces........is not a design. Pretty much rules out being an "intelligent design", huh? As expected, you wasted our time.
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(January 4, 2016 at 9:57 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote: Nope.
How about this:
Wife : "I dreamt they were auctioning off dicks. The big ones went for ten dollars and the thick ones went for twenty dollars.
"Husband : "How about the ones like mine?
"Wife : "Those they gave away.
"Husband : "I had a dream too...I dreamt they were auctioning off cunts. The pretty ones went for a thousand dollars, and the little tight ones went for two thousand.
"Wife : "And how much for the ones like mine?
"Husband : "That's where they held the auction."
Meh, I mean, it's not terrible, but it is a tad boring and predictable, this is much better:
I bought myself a nice, new stick of deodorant today. The instructions read: "Remove the cap, unscrew and push up bottom" ... I can barely walk now, but whenever I fart the room smells peachy, just peachy.
(January 4, 2016 at 10:01 am)pool Wrote: How about this:
Wife : "I dreamt they were auctioning off dicks. The big ones went for ten dollars and the thick ones went for twenty dollars.
"Husband : "How about the ones like mine?
"Wife : "Those they gave away.
"Husband : "I had a dream too...I dreamt they were auctioning off cunts. The pretty ones went for a thousand dollars, and the little tight ones went for two thousand.
"Wife : "And how much for the ones like mine?
"Husband : "That's where they held the auction."
Meh, I mean, it's not terrible, but it is a tad boring and predictable, this is much better:
I bought myself a nice, new stick of deodorant today. The instructions read: "Remove the cap, unscrew and push up bottom" ... I can barely walk now, but whenever I fart the room smells peachy, just peachy.
(January 4, 2016 at 9:52 am)pool Wrote: How dare you. It's a damn good joke!
Nope.
It got a pretty decent reaction when I posted it about a year ago, though. Perhaps as Carson taught us, it's the way I tell 'em.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(January 4, 2016 at 8:22 am)pool Wrote: Okay, I get it now.
The problem with my usage of design is that it can be interpreted as however I like. Right?
IMO..? No, the problem with your usage of design is that it means nothing.
Quote:Main points:
* Design implies intelligent action.
Sure. I'd hazard to say that design requires intelligent action, as design -is- an intelligent action.
Quote:* Resemblance of a design due to natural causes is not a design because of its fluctuating constraints.
So, a "design" arrived at by natural forces, say, evolutionary forces........is not a design. Pretty much rules out being an "intelligent design", huh? As expected, you wasted our time.
I'll get back to you. Gotta hit ze zym.
For now, I'll remind you that it is not in my intention to try and falsify The theory of evolution.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
January 4, 2016 at 1:52 pm (This post was last modified: January 4, 2016 at 1:54 pm by downbeatplumb.
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(January 4, 2016 at 8:22 am)pool Wrote: [Rhythm pid='1160745' dateline='1451907374']I don't think that, numbskull, lol I was simply wondering, in a universe where ID is true, how you could tell. Many of us asked this question. In a world where ID is true, then an apple -would be- designed.
If a rock is designed, and an apple is designed, and a symphony is designed.....then the word "design" is useless.
Perhaps, instead, you could give me an example of something that -isn't- designed, in your estimation? There would need to be something, or else the word "design" is non-cog.
Okay, I get it now.
The problem with my usage of design is that it can be interpreted as however I like. Right?
Because I can look at an apple and say that it is designed because of the obvious constraints imposed on it.
But I already said before that there is an obvious difference between a design and a design achieved from random events or natural causes.
How about this: Fixed constraints intelligently imposed on a system implies a design.
So consider a rock.
What makes a rock you find on the ground that is the identical to a rock molded by a human in a lab any different?
After all the rock you find on the ground will have the exact same constraints as that of the rock you molded in the lab right?
The main difference is that the rock made in the lab had it's constraints imposed onto itself by an intelligent being whereas the rock in the road had it's constraints imposed onto it by natural causes or random events.
Another difference is that the rock made in the lab will have it's constraints fixed whereas the rock in the ground got it's constraints(like shape, size etc) the way it is through lots of natural causes and is ever changing.
Main points:
* Design implies intelligent action.
* Resemblance of a design due to natural causes is not a design because of its fluctuating constraints.
Like take hydrogen for example, it's atomic number, protons and other constraints are fixed.
Exactly like the constraints on the rock made in a lab are fixed. If the constraints on the rock are altered by another intelligent being then it becomes another design, but if the constraints are altered by natural causes or random events then it is no longer a design.
So ask yourself this,
Has the constraints of something like an element like Hydrogen changed in the history of earth or even our universe? No?
Well then we know it's constraints are fixed.
If it is fixed then it is imposed. (Like assigning an integer variable in a program the value 5. It is imposed.)
If it is imposed there was an intelligent being responsible.
If there was an intelligent being responsible, then it is a design.
Quote:Do I win something already? Or am I still not making sense?
You are making sense, but you are also wrong. What makes a hydrogen atom are forces that we cannot yet explain fully to imply that this is due to design is assigning anthropomorphic intentions to stuff that just happens. I would be very surprised if it turned out that the physics of the universe are like they are because some creature decided that that's how things should be just coz.
(January 4, 2016 at 1:43 pm)pool Wrote: I just want clarify something Rhythm,
Are the objections you raised against my post the only objections you have against it or are there more?
P.S I agree humans weren't designed.
IOW you don't actually believe in ID. Why do you waste our time?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
