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Theists ask me a question
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RE: Theists ask me a question
(January 4, 2016 at 6:41 pm)dyresand Wrote:
(January 4, 2016 at 6:34 pm)Marcus Felix Wrote: Do you believe in evolution? If so, can you prove that it is true? I apologise for asking two questions Wink

Evolution has evidence of it happening we can look at our DNA animal DNA and look at both. 
Believe it or not everything on this planet, past future or even present is all related. All life on earth
shares a common ancestor of sorts we can look at tree and biologically speaking that is pretty much a very distant
cousin. Dogs and cats too are closely related ironically. I don't really need to prove it as there is so much evidence
for it you could pretty much go to google i'll even give you give you a video. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIEoO5KdPvg

I've seen that video and honestly its pretty convincing. However, it focuses only on the very clearest 'evidence' there is, as if more were not needed. I accept the fact that we do not and cannot know everything, such as the amount of change that can occur in one species due to natural selection and mutation, however the video claims to have found many fossils of a transition between dolphins and legged land animals. I am not convinced by this claim, as it is only a very small part of what would be required to prove the theory of evolution. Perhaps it is not evidence of evolution, but merely diversity of kinds?
Lets start from the beginning - can you prove that the big bang created everything we see today?
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#22
RE: Theists ask me a question
(January 4, 2016 at 7:10 pm)Marcus Felix Wrote:
(January 4, 2016 at 6:41 pm)dyresand Wrote: Evolution has evidence of it happening we can look at our DNA animal DNA and look at both. 
Believe it or not everything on this planet, past future or even present is all related. All life on earth
shares a common ancestor of sorts we can look at tree and biologically speaking that is pretty much a very distant
cousin. Dogs and cats too are closely related ironically. I don't really need to prove it as there is so much evidence
for it you could pretty much go to google i'll even give you give you a video. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIEoO5KdPvg

I've seen that video and honestly its pretty convincing. However, it focuses only on the very clearest 'evidence' there is, as if more were not needed. I accept the fact that we do not and cannot know everything, such as the amount of change that can occur in one species due to natural selection and mutation, however the video claims to have found many fossils of a transition between dolphins and legged land animals. I am not convinced by this claim, as it is only a very small part of what would be required to prove the theory of evolution. Perhaps it is not evidence of evolution, but merely diversity of kinds?
Lets start from the beginning - can you prove that the big bang created everything we see today?

Sure look at the flu virus every so soften it mutates so does everything else. Look at bacteria 
there is bacteria that becomes immune to antibiotics. This  is just going down to something more simple
on the biological scale. But viruses and other things evolve to counter act medications. This is why every
every few years a strain of the flu comes out and it becomes a issue because well the flu shot you get is only
for 1 strain the flu and not the others.
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#23
RE: Theists ask me a question
(January 4, 2016 at 7:22 pm)dyresand Wrote:
(January 4, 2016 at 7:10 pm)Marcus Felix Wrote: I've seen that video and honestly its pretty convincing. However, it focuses only on the very clearest 'evidence' there is, as if more were not needed. I accept the fact that we do not and cannot know everything, such as the amount of change that can occur in one species due to natural selection and mutation, however the video claims to have found many fossils of a transition between dolphins and legged land animals. I am not convinced by this claim, as it is only a very small part of what would be required to prove the theory of evolution. Perhaps it is not evidence of evolution, but merely diversity of kinds?
Lets start from the beginning - can you prove that the big bang created everything we see today?

Sure look at the flu virus every so soften it mutates so does everything else. Look at bacteria 
there is bacteria that becomes immune to antibiotics. This  is just going down to something more simple
on the biological scale. But viruses and other things evolve to counter act medications. This is why every
every few years a strain of the flu comes out and it becomes a issue because well the flu shot you get is only
for 1 strain the flu and not the others.
I personally believe that this is a part of intelligent design. If life could not adapt, how would it survive? Viruses are the same.
You dodged the big bang question there
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#24
RE: Theists ask me a question
(January 4, 2016 at 7:25 pm)Marcus Felix Wrote:
(January 4, 2016 at 7:22 pm)dyresand Wrote: Sure look at the flu virus every so soften it mutates so does everything else. Look at bacteria 
there is bacteria that becomes immune to antibiotics. This  is just going down to something more simple
on the biological scale. But viruses and other things evolve to counter act medications. This is why every
every few years a strain of the flu comes out and it becomes a issue because well the flu shot you get is only
for 1 strain the flu and not the others.
I personally believe that this is a part of intelligent design. If life could not adapt, how would it survive? Viruses are the same.
You dodged the big bang question there

I wouldn't start saying god is a intelligent designer if you accept that notion everything in the universe was created by god you just downgraded in quality of everything.
I didn't dodge the question i just used something more simpler to get my point across to you. Evolution is a thing even on a small
scale such as bacteria and viruses.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today. 


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RE: Theists ask me a question
(January 4, 2016 at 7:36 pm)dyresand Wrote:
(January 4, 2016 at 7:25 pm)Marcus Felix Wrote: I personally believe that this is a part of intelligent design. If life could not adapt, how would it survive? Viruses are the same.
You dodged the big bang question there

I wouldn't start saying god is a intelligent designer if you accept that notion everything in the universe was created by god you just downgraded in quality of everything.
I didn't dodge the question i just used something more simpler to get my point across to you. Evolution is a thing even on a small
scale such as bacteria and viruses.

Perhaps I'll expand on why I believe in intelligent design.
Apple made me an iPhone. It runs pretty well. Kind of like the Universe. Except the universe is infinitely more complex then my stupid iPhone. A single human cell, one of hundreds of thousands of billions in a single person, has the capacity to store all thirty volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannicca three or four times over.
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#26
RE: Theists ask me a question
(January 4, 2016 at 7:53 pm)Marcus Felix Wrote:
(January 4, 2016 at 7:36 pm)dyresand Wrote: I wouldn't start saying god is a intelligent designer if you accept that notion everything in the universe was created by god you just downgraded in quality of everything.
I didn't dodge the question i just used something more simpler to get my point across to you. Evolution is a thing even on a small
scale such as bacteria and viruses.

Perhaps I'll expand on why I believe in intelligent design.
Apple made me an iPhone. It runs pretty well. Kind of like the Universe. Except the universe is infinitely more complex then my stupid iPhone. A single human cell, one of hundreds of thousands of billions in a single person, has the capacity to store all thirty volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannicca three or four times over.

^if you only knew apple in reality is overpriced pieces of junk. statistically there is more android phone users than iphone users.
In a single gram you could hold up to 700 terabytes of information it doesn't mean it's practical argument to use for intelligent design. 
The only reason why the universe looks as if to be made by a intelligent designer is that nature works well with symmetry. 
I could go further into explaining it but i will say this in the chronological order of things in the universe you had the rapid expansion,
then you had your first abundant basic elements hydrogen and helium. Given a fairly short amount of time on a universal scale then you have your stars starting to form. That is just the beginning of things no intelligent creator is needed to create a sun all it takes it a combination of hydrogen and helium and also gravity to create a star.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today. 


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RE: Theists ask me a question
(January 4, 2016 at 8:20 pm)dyresand Wrote:
(January 4, 2016 at 7:53 pm)Marcus Felix Wrote: Perhaps I'll expand on why I believe in intelligent design.
Apple made me an iPhone. It runs pretty well. Kind of like the Universe. Except the universe is infinitely more complex then my stupid iPhone. A single human cell, one of hundreds of thousands of billions in a single person, has the capacity to store all thirty volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannicca three or four times over.

^if you only knew apple in reality is overpriced pieces of junk. statistically there is more android phone users than iphone users.
In a single gram you could hold up to 700 terabytes of information it doesn't mean it's practical argument to use for intelligent design. 
The only reason why the universe looks as if to be made by a intelligent designer is that nature works well with symmetry. 
I could go further into explaining it but i will say this in the chronological order of things in the universe you had the rapid expansion,
then you had your first abundant basic elements hydrogen and helium. Given a fairly short amount of time on a universal scale then you have your stars starting to form. That is just the beginning of things no intelligent creator is needed to create a sun all it takes it a combination of hydrogen and helium and also gravity to create a star.
Rapid expansion of...?
And where did this gravity thing come from?
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#28
RE: Theists ask me a question
(January 4, 2016 at 9:14 pm)Marcus Felix Wrote:
(January 4, 2016 at 8:20 pm)dyresand Wrote: ^if you only knew apple in reality is overpriced pieces of junk. statistically there is more android phone users than iphone users.
In a single gram you could hold up to 700 terabytes of information it doesn't mean it's practical argument to use for intelligent design. 
The only reason why the universe looks as if to be made by a intelligent designer is that nature works well with symmetry. 
I could go further into explaining it but i will say this in the chronological order of things in the universe you had the rapid expansion,
then you had your first abundant basic elements hydrogen and helium. Given a fairly short amount of time on a universal scale then you have your stars starting to form. That is just the beginning of things no intelligent creator is needed to create a sun all it takes it a combination of hydrogen and helium and also gravity to create a star.
Rapid expansion of...?
And where did this gravity thing come from?

The sudden rapid expansion of matter and energy from a singularity. The singularity is the a point of energy that is infinity small without dimensions. The singularity more than likely was unstable causing it to expand outwards  that's the big bang in nutshell the sudden expansion of space and time. Gravity simply is the force that attracts two bodies together that's pretty much it.
Most of your questions can be answered via google you know Tongue
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RE: Theists ask me a question
Accidental double post.
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#30
RE: Theists ask me a question
(January 4, 2016 at 10:05 pm)dyresand Wrote:
(January 4, 2016 at 9:14 pm)Marcus Felix Wrote: Rapid expansion of...?
And where did this gravity thing come from?

The sudden rapid expansion of matter and energy from a singularity. The singularity is the a point of energy that is infinity small without dimensions. The singularity more than likely was unstable causing it to expand outwards  that's the big bang in nutshell the sudden expansion of space and time. Gravity simply is the force that attracts two bodies together that's pretty much it.
Most of your questions can be answered via google you know Tongue

I asked where gravity came from, not what it is
Matter? I thought there wasn't any matter? And how was the energy produced?
You need there to be something already there for evolution to even be remotely plausible. Except, apparently there wasn't. Which disproves the big bang. Nothing can come from nothing.
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