(January 8, 2016 at 3:49 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Seeing that the Bible wasn't divided into chapters and verses until the late Middle Ages chances are excellent that that is also when the Koran was revised to include them.

The Quran was completed right away, and nothing has been changed since its completion , the chapters you see were compiled like that from the beginning. The order was done right away as soon as the Quran was completed by revelation.

Evidence please.

To know nothing has changed, you'll also need access to confirmed original documents.

(January 8, 2016 at 3:53 am)yukapuka Wrote:

(January 8, 2016 at 3:49 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Seeing that the Bible wasn't divided into chapters and verses until the late Middle Ages chances are excellent that that is also when the Koran was revised to include them.

The Quran was completed right away, and nothing has been changed since its completion , the chapters you see were compiled like that from the beginning. The order was done right away as soon as the Quran was completed by revelation.

OK, can you produce any original Arabic manuscripts from the early 7th Century that used chapters and verses?

(January 8, 2016 at 3:54 am)robvalue Wrote: Evidence please.

To know nothing has changed, you'll also need access to confirmed original documents.

I'll go out on a limb and say that he will never be able to produce any original Arabic manuscripts from that time period that used chapters and verses.

I will also take that bet.

You have to be careful when making claims about reality, because you can be called on them. Talk all you like about what colour hair your imaginary friend has.

(January 7, 2016 at 11:49 am)drfuzzy Wrote:

(January 6, 2016 at 3:48 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: Actually there are 6236 verses in the Qur'an in 114 chapters. If u add the chapter number plus the number of verses in the chapter (i.e. CH.1 has 7 verses so 1+7=8). If u do this for all 114 chapters u get exactly 57 even and 57 odd numbers. Add all even numbers u get 6236 which as said b4 is the total amount of verses. If u add all odd numbers u get 6555 which is the sum of 1+2+3......114 which is the total amount of chapters.

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But all miracles of the Qur'an show and prove that it could come from only God Almighty Allah. There are linguistic, mathematical, scientific, astronomical, and even future telling events that no one except Allah especially in the 7th century, when technology didn't yet exist, knew about. But we are able to verify and confirm these miraculous facts with what we have today

This was Necro-posted.  The post before this one was from 2012.  
And why anyone would take the time to repeat this ridiculous woo-crap is beyond comprehension.

well one problem is I just joined this website in 2016 not 2012. But regardless of when the miracles are mentioned they still trace back to the same Qur'an which was first revealed in the year 610. So the same miracles will be revealed over and over again since EVERY SINGLE ARABIC LETTER has been preserved and hasn't changed one single time.

(January 8, 2016 at 11:15 am)Sheed1980 Wrote:

(January 7, 2016 at 11:49 am)drfuzzy Wrote: This was Necro-posted.  The post before this one was from 2012.  
And why anyone would take the time to repeat this ridiculous woo-crap is beyond comprehension.

well one problem is I just joined this website in 2016 not 2012. But regardless of when the miracles are mentioned they still trace back to the same Qur'an which was first revealed in the year 610. So the same miracles will be revealed over and over again since EVERY SINGLE ARABIC LETTER has been preserved and hasn't changed one single time.

And clearly you didn't bother to read the rules.   
Miracles!   As somebody else posted, they MIGHT be worth looking at if all of the modern "miracles" mentioned were actually in the original text.  Otherwise, all you have is someone manipulating letters and numbers in a book.  You can do that with ANY book.  You can find the same "miracles" in a Harry Potter book, a cookbook, or a newspaper.

Here's another miracle:

"The sea turned into lemonade!"

Wow. I must be God or something.

(January 8, 2016 at 11:21 am)drfuzzy Wrote:

(January 8, 2016 at 11:15 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: well one problem is I just joined this website in 2016 not 2012. But regardless of when the miracles are mentioned they still trace back to the same Qur'an which was first revealed in the year 610. So the same miracles will be revealed over and over again since EVERY SINGLE ARABIC LETTER has been preserved and hasn't changed one single time.

And clearly you didn't bother to read the rules.   
Miracles!   As somebody else posted, they MIGHT be worth looking at if all of the modern "miracles" mentioned were actually in the original text.  Otherwise, all you have is someone manipulating letters and numbers in a book.  You can do that with ANY book.  You can find the same "miracles" in a Harry Potter book, a cookbook, or a newspaper.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but can you show examples of other books having a lot of coincidences like Quran does? You can read some of those there though I can't testify to all that's there: http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathem...index.html 

(haven't checked all, but all the ones I have checked were true)

I want to understand this thing. What is the probability etc.

(January 8, 2016 at 11:27 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(January 8, 2016 at 11:21 am)drfuzzy Wrote: And clearly you didn't bother to read the rules.   
Miracles!   As somebody else posted, they MIGHT be worth looking at if all of the modern "miracles" mentioned were actually in the original text.  Otherwise, all you have is someone manipulating letters and numbers in a book.  You can do that with ANY book.  You can find the same "miracles" in a Harry Potter book, a cookbook, or a newspaper.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but can you show examples of other books having a lot of coincidences like Quran does? You can read some of those there though I can't testify to all that's there: http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathem...index.html 

(haven't checked all, but all the ones I have checked were true)

I want to understand this thing. What is the probability etc.

People have done the same with the Bible, in whole or in part, the Talmud, the Bhagavad-Gita, the book of the Tao and the writings of Confucius, and the works of Nostradamus.  A quick Google search can surely find those and more.