(February 7, 2011 at 11:17 am)Ashendant Wrote: Does him need to leave now? they already won he's leaving in 6 months, his son is not taking the succession, and the constitution is going to be reformed to depower the president and give more rights to the people(if mubarak isn't lying), mubarak leaving now won't accomplish anything except leave a power vacuum that can be filled with extremists

No they have not won, yes he needs to leave now. Let's assume you're the captain of a football team, you have a ferocious lead of 6 goals to nil and there are 20 minutes to go. The other team says, "alright, you won, just go sit on the sidelines for the next 20 minutes, let us keep playing and we promise not to score 7 goals." Do you honestly believe them? Do you just take it on faith?

Forgive me, as I haven't kept up with the whole situation, but I'm given to understand that it is the actual *people* - IE, the commonfolk - who are protesting this, yes? Saying he needs to leave?

Just because some of our congressmen disagreed with Obama, or called for him to leave, doesn't necessarily mean all of their constituents want him out. The unfortunate problem with politicians is that you can vote for them because they agree with you on some things (supposedly) but may not agree with you on others. Sometimes they get into office and throw EVERYTHING out of the door. There's a good chance that the majority of the people backing those congressmen don't want Obama to go. The only way anyone could be sure of that is if a crowd of people stormed the white house. Or the vast majority of Americans took to the streets in protest of his presence. Then it is not elected officials "speaking for" their constituents (which we seem to be overly comfortable having them do), but the actual flesh and blood citizens of America.

If I am correct in my details, then it is the actual public calling for his removal and he needs to step the fuck down. A lot can happen in six months.

(February 9, 2011 at 1:57 pm)Ubermensch Wrote:

(February 7, 2011 at 11:17 am)Ashendant Wrote: Does him need to leave now? they already won he's leaving in 6 months, his son is not taking the succession, and the constitution is going to be reformed to depower the president and give more rights to the people(if mubarak isn't lying), mubarak leaving now won't accomplish anything except leave a power vacuum that can be filled with extremists

No they have not won, yes he needs to leave now. Let's assume you're the captain of a football team, you have a ferocious lead of 6 goals to nil and there are 20 minutes to go. The other team says, "alright, you won, just go sit on the sidelines for the next 20 minutes, let us keep playing and we promise not to score 7 goals." Do you honestly believe them? Do you just take it on faith?

I'm giving my opinion on the basis that he is nothing lying

Quote:Forgive me, as I haven't kept up with the whole situation, but I'm given to understand that it is the actual *people* - IE, the commonfolk - who are protesting this, yes? Saying he needs to leave?

Just because some of our congressmen disagreed with Obama, or called for him to leave, doesn't necessarily mean all of their constituents want him out. The unfortunate problem with politicians is that you can vote for them because they agree with you on some things (supposedly) but may not agree with you on others. Sometimes they get into office and throw EVERYTHING out of the door. There's a good chance that the majority of the people backing those congressmen don't want Obama to go. The only way anyone could be sure of that is if a crowd of people stormed the white house. Or the vast majority of Americans took to the streets in protest of his presence. Then it is not elected officials "speaking for" their constituents (which we seem to be overly comfortable having them do), but the actual flesh and blood citizens of America.

If I am correct in my details, then it is the actual public calling for his removal and he needs to step the fuck down. A lot can happen in six months.

I've seen reports that a lot of Egyptians prefer if he didn't step down immediately and followed his word in 6 months, and after the constitution is changed

Hey, you have to balance what you see in the media too. Just sayin'.

(February 9, 2011 at 2:42 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Hey, you have to balance what you see in the media too. Just sayin'.

I did and in my opinion based there's no absolute opposition against him leaving in september, and that he's not lying, it's best if he leaves in september with a constitutional reform under his sleeve that de-powers the president and give some time for the opposition to form, than him just leaving now and leaving behind a power vacuum

On what basis do you believe Mubarak is not lying? Mubarak is a politician and a dictator. It is a time honoured tradition for politicians and dictators to outright lie.

(February 9, 2011 at 3:53 pm)Ubermensch Wrote: On what basis do you believe Mubarak is not lying? Mubarak is a politician and a dictator. It is a time honoured tradition for politicians and dictators to outright lie.

two thing:
I give the benefit of the doubt to almost everyone
He's a patriot

He's a fucking puppet..

(February 10, 2011 at 9:08 am)Ubermensch Wrote: He's a fucking puppet..

Of who?

(February 10, 2011 at 9:35 am)Ashendant Wrote: Of who?

A puppet of the U.S. installed by the CIA.

And possibly he will get replaced by another puppet dictator. But I really hope that doesn't happen.