Yuka, the neurosurgeon was lying. His account of the damage done to his brain does not match his medical records of his hospital stay. Furthermore, he's been sued for malpractice several times, including twice for falsifying medical records in order to cover up for his mistakes. There's absolutely no reason to believe he's credible.

The Russian scientist was declared dead by people afraid of the KGB. He wasn't actually dead.

They didn't see a tunnel of light because they weren't actually dying. They were dreaming and/or hallucinating.

That they were men of science doesn't matter. That they were atheists doesn't matter. Smart people aren't immune from making dumb choices, and traumatic experiences affect people.

Maybe you should do some actual research into the people and events you parade around. We're not swayed by the 'personal' anecdotes of people quite literally trying to sell a brand.

(January 16, 2016 at 1:54 am)Cecelia Wrote: You're the one calling people stupid.  You resort to ad hominem attacks when you can't make a proper argument.  The fact is that many different people describe many different NDE's.  It's no proof of anything.  There's good explanations for the NDE's that people have.  You can cherry pick them all you like, it's not going to convince us.  Your 'truth' isn't the truth at all.  At least not when one considers reality.  I look at the Quran, the Torah, and the Bible, and I see nothing but nonsense written by people who understood nothing about the way the world works.  I cannot fathom the abrahamic god existing, at least not as described by those books.  And it's from those books that the concept of hell comes from.

When a person is DEAD for THREE days and comes back to life, its a different story , he wasn't "near death" nor was he "dead for a minute" but dead fro 72 hours

Furthermore , not only that but he brought back amazing proof , he was able to talk about something that was happening far away from him and also that the doctors couldnt identify with all their analysis but through communication with the soul of the baby

This is an educated man in neuron science , a professor who would commit such effort to talk about it if he had doubt about it, he considered all of the options

Secondly the women who shot herself , again something that is undeniable , a woman shoots herself in the heart, bleeds out completely and comes back to life after again days , and in the meantime visits old dead family members and access knoweldge of things they couldnt have known otherwise

this is a MAJOR proof

and if your stupid enough to think that a person who gets run over more then once dies and is dead for three days is still alive, then shows how much you know

same with the lady who committed suicide , you cant deny this and their stories arent THAT different, they all visited heaven and hell they all witnessed God and life beyond this life, they all accessed knowledge that wasn't available before , they all seen other people , they all visited places that they have never seen or been to , they seen thier own lives played back to them they met people/angels whom are unlike anything else before they experienced etc

this stuff cant be made up

(January 16, 2016 at 2:13 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Yuka, the neurosurgeon was lying.  His account of the damage done to his brain does not match his medical records of his hospital stay.  Furthermore, he's been sued for malpractice several times, including twice for falsifying medical records in order to cover up for his mistakes.  There's absolutely no reason to believe he's credible.

The Russian scientist was declared dead by people afraid of the KGB.  He wasn't actually dead.

They didn't see a tunnel of light because they weren't actually dying.  They were dreaming and/or hallucinating.

That they were men of science doesn't matter.  That they were atheists doesn't matter.  Smart people aren't immune from making dumb choices, and traumatic experiences affect people.

Maybe you should do some actual research into the people and events you parade around.  We're not swayed by the 'personal' anecdotes of people quite literally trying to sell a brand.

according to who? to you? of course people like you are going to try their best to find excuses, and you do it with lies

everything you said is YOUR opinion, what they experienced and the truth of the matter is far from what lies you are spreading here

who are you to say "he was lying" show me the proof that he was lying, i will analyse it in detail and i BET that i will prove that it is a lie what you claim

you obviously never went to school , you cant MAKE a statement and "tell it how it is"

the only liar here is you

besides it doesn't account for many other things, the guy who burned to death in a plane the woman who shot herself in the heart and bled to death

and the thousands of other accounts of people who all experienced death way beyond the first few minutes, who have been dead for days on end and brought back many proofs

the neurosurgeon wasnt lying, this is claims by liars like you , there is no such proof of that , and besides why would he even lie about it? what benefit does it bring him? he was an atheist before he gained no benefit from that whatsoever, he told the truth and it is YOU who are desperately trying to find an excuse and answer for the inevitable truth that YOU are wrong and that there IS a God who created your miserable being

and let me tell you something else, homosexuals are doomed to hell to suffer the worst tortures , which means you

(January 16, 2016 at 4:59 am)yukapuka Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 2:13 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Yuka, the neurosurgeon was lying.  His account of the damage done to his brain does not match his medical records of his hospital stay.  Furthermore, he's been sued for malpractice several times, including twice for falsifying medical records in order to cover up for his mistakes.  There's absolutely no reason to believe he's credible.

The Russian scientist was declared dead by people afraid of the KGB.  He wasn't actually dead.

They didn't see a tunnel of light because they weren't actually dying.  They were dreaming and/or hallucinating.

That they were men of science doesn't matter.  That they were atheists doesn't matter.  Smart people aren't immune from making dumb choices, and traumatic experiences affect people.

Maybe you should do some actual research into the people and events you parade around.  We're not swayed by the 'personal' anecdotes of people quite literally trying to sell a brand.

according to who? to you? of course people like you are going to try their best to find excuses, and you do it with lies

everything you said is YOUR opinion, what they experienced and the truth of the matter is far from what lies you are spreading here

who are you to say "he was lying" show me the proof that he was lying, i will analyse it in detail and i BET that i will prove that it is a lie what you claim

you obviously never went to school , you cant MAKE a statement and "tell it how it is"

the only liar here is you

besides it doesn't account for many other things, the guy who burned to death in a plane the woman who shot herself in the heart and bled to death

and the thousands of other accounts of people who all experienced death way beyond the first few minutes, who have been dead for days on end and brought back many proofs

the neurosurgeon wasnt lying, this is claims by liars like you , there is no such proof of that , and besides why would he even lie about it? what benefit does it bring him? he was an atheist before he gained no benefit from that whatsoever, he told the truth and it is YOU who are desperately trying to find an excuse and answer for the inevitable truth that YOU are wrong and that there IS a God who created your miserable being

and let me tell you something else, homosexuals are doomed to hell to suffer the worst tortures , which means you

Well, you're in hell right now (judging from how bitter and distressed you constantly sound), so there!

(January 16, 2016 at 5:03 am)Irrational Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 4:59 am)yukapuka Wrote: according to who? to you? of course people like you are going to try their best to find excuses, and you do it with lies

everything you said is YOUR opinion, what they experienced and the truth of the matter is far from what lies you are spreading here

who are you to say "he was lying" show me the proof that he was lying, i will analyse it in detail and i BET that i will prove that it is a lie what you claim

you obviously never went to school , you cant MAKE a statement and "tell it how it is"

the only liar here is you

besides it doesn't account for many other things, the guy who burned to death in a plane the woman who shot herself in the heart and bled to death

and the thousands of other accounts of people who all experienced death way beyond the first few minutes, who have been dead for days on end and brought back many proofs

the neurosurgeon wasnt lying, this is claims by liars like you , there is no such proof of that , and besides why would he even lie about it? what benefit does it bring him? he was an atheist before he gained no benefit from that whatsoever, he told the truth and it is YOU who are desperately trying to find an excuse and answer for the inevitable truth that YOU are wrong and that there IS a God who created your miserable being

and let me tell you something else, homosexuals are doomed to hell to suffer the worst tortures , which means you

Well, you're in hell right now (judging from how bitter and distressed you constantly sound), so there!

i've noticed how much you lot make claims, and not ONE of you has provided a proof for ANY of your statements

and the stupidity of your statements is just sickening

naturally in your defence your going to claim that the people in those videos are liars, its your natural defence because you dont LIKE that the truth was revealed and you dont LIKE what you are hearing, and in panic when you cant answer what is gong on, you do what the devil does best, lie and claim them to be liars

atheist = liars , atheist = no proof statements, atheist = opinion

since i have been here nobody has ONCE even tried to bring a proof for their claims

not to mention that lack of rationality in anything you lot say and do

people die and come back to tell of their encounter with God and the afterlife, and not 7 people but THOUSANDS of people

and you desperately try to hide away from the truth by making ridiculous statements without an iota of thought behind it

atheism = stupidity

It is actually known that when people have withdrawal of blood from the brain or face death hallucinate which is then interpreted as entering "life after death". For starters look at this episode of Arthur C Clarke show dealing with that problem and you can skip right to explanation which starts at 18m 37s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI9L5ns3Wvg

Now being faced with your own death can be really stupefying even for a scientist that he or she might go mad and start to think it was really some sort of world after death. Indeed people go crazy every day sometimes their child dies and they just can not cope with that notion, especially if they had religious background in childhood and start to believe in Sai Baba or Pope or Tom Cruise and these assholes are prying for people for their "morals" to go down and make money on them.

like the moron above

"he was sued for malpractice"

doesnt bring ANY proof, expects that his ignorant words is taken for truth and revelation and makes other ridiculous statements like "the Russian scientist is hiding from the kgb"

if he is hiding from the kgb, why did he go on live tv After leaving Russia to talk about the event

he was originally an atheist and here is a thought

would you go on tv and say there is a God to save your lives AFTER you are saved from danger?

i bet you wouldnt, and he didn't go on tv once but MANY times to tell his story

so what does he have to get out of it if its in order to "..hide form the kgb.."

thats how dumb the guy above is, that made that comment, such a pathetic and lame excuse that i have not heard any more stupidity then i have heard here from people

what a pathetic excuse of an attempt that was, this guy above must have like 50 iq honestly

Yakult, nothing personal at all, this applies to most religitards.
If science disagrees with their skydaddy, they ignore or dismiss it.
When they feel that science can prove their skydaddy, they're all over it like the plague.

That's because science is proven to be a real and accurate methodology.
Problem is you can't cherry pick science like you do with your holy books.

Swallow it all or none of it. It's all one discipline. Otherwise you're being hypocritical.

(January 16, 2016 at 5:15 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: It is actually known that when people have withdrawal of blood from the brain or face death hallucinate which is then interpreted as entering "life after death". For starters look at this episode of Arthur C Clarke show dealing with that problem and you can skip right to explanation which starts at 18m 37s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI9L5ns3Wvg

Now being faced with your own death can be really stupefying even for a scientist that he or she might go mad and start to think it was really some sort of world after death. Indeed people go crazy every day sometimes their child dies and they just can not cope with that notion, especially if they had religious background in childhood and start to believe in Sai Baba or Pope or Tom Cruise and these assholes are prying for people for their "morals" to go down and make money on them.

that is talking about moment BEFORE you "die" not THREE days after our already DEAD

or day AFTER you have bled out COMPLETELY

and besides you using some old video from teh 80's to try to justify a phenomena that 1000's of people have described

you atheists are only good at running away and ignoring the truth and evidence

you ignore 99% of the details and you try to patheticly justify 1% of the evidence that is irrelevant

NOBODY said that they were dead for a minute, do you comprehend that ?

do you understand what being DEAD for 3 days means?

just try to hold your breath for 1 hour if you can and tell me if you can manage to stay alive

try to live in a freezer for three days and see if you can stay alive

try to stop all your blood circulation and heart beating for three days and see if you can come back to life

try to stop your body from the hardening of the cells for three days and then revering the whole process afterwards

try to get hit by a car at full speed and run over and die and then come back to life three days

try to stop all brain function of your mind for three days and try to come back to life if you think its somehow possible

i DARE you!!

do all of those things simultaneously and tell me that your still alive

Don't care.

I'm not looking for cults to join.