(January 16, 2016 at 4:39 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: You never know. More meditation in the universe can do wonderful results.

(January 16, 2016 at 4:41 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Thanks Yogi...but I doubt that.

Hey Atlas.  If you really are a yogi, can you get me a picanic basket?  I'm really hungry.  Thanks.

(January 16, 2016 at 7:24 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: What you said is fair enough, but I think the Quran does a pretty good job of "putting Allah on a human level". For example, love is a human emotion. We can even quantify love by examining hormones involved in love. Take Quran 3:31, for example,
"Say, (O Muhammad, to mankind): If ye love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

Anger is another human emotion/reaction. There are several verses that mention the anger of Allah. For example, Quran 3:162:
Is the man who follows the good pleasure of Allah Like the man who draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and whose abode is in Hell?- A woeful refuge!

I can contribute with an opinion; if you care.

It's not a human emotion; rather it is an "emotion". It happens differently, when God express love, he does it in a fashion so different than what people think it's like.
So and so with anger.

These are the emotions that he chose, to embed logic into the universe. These standards of communication which we understand, are the way God is using in the Quran to teach us.

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Quote:[url=http://quranx.com/38.27]Quran 38:27 claims Allah created creation with a purpose in mind:
Not without purpose did We create heaven and earth and all between! that were the thought of Unbelievers! but woe to the Unbelievers because of the Fire (of Hell)!

However, it does not tell us what this purpose is. So we are left wondering: What is the point of existence? Is it necessary? If humans were created only to serve Allah then that would make Allah extremely egotistical. People with big egos demand reverence.

It is mentioned :

( Sura 51 Verse 56 )   And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me.
( 57 )   I do not want from them any provision, nor do I want them to feed Me.
( 58 )   Indeed, it is Allah who is the [continual] Provider, the firm possessor of strength.

Though, worshiping him is :

( Sura 8 Verse 24 )   O you who have believed, respond to Allah and to the Messenger when he calls you to that which gives you life. And know that Allah intervenes between a man and his heart and that to Him you will be gathered.

So worshiping God is living. That's what we're created for.
All of us admire the world, nobody hates nature. Lots of people love pets. All of that is considered "worshiping God" since his world is being admired, and his blessing being realized.

Who doesn't enjoy food ? drink  ?

(January 16, 2016 at 7:28 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 4:39 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: You never know. More meditation in the universe can do wonderful results.

(January 16, 2016 at 4:41 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Thanks Yogi...but I doubt that.

Hey Atlas.  If you really are a yogi, can you get me a picanic basket?  I'm really hungry.  Thanks.

Oh my guts, I can't, I'm laughing so hard !

Thank you for your opinion. Allah can survive without me though, yet the Quran make it seem as though as Allah is desperate for my attention. Indeed, if I don't give Allah enough attention I will go to the hellfire. For an eternity before creation Allah got by just fine without humanity then all of a sudden it was decided that thee needed to be a universe. It doesn't make sense to me.

The Iyah you cited explains the reason for humans existing but not the universe itself. Humans exist in places outside of creation (such as Jannah) so it seems rather wasteful to create an entire universe just for humans. There are more stars in our universe than grains of sand on the Earth but somehow humans are special.

People often compare Yaweh to a Mafia boss. And the same applies to Allah. Like how, the Mafia give you a choice to pay them, but if you don't pay they kill you. So, really, it was suicide not murder because you were given a clear choice as to whether you wanted to die or not.

Of course, nobody says it was suicide. But that's what the religious want you to believe. Allah is giving you a choice: Submit to me (the Mafia boss) or I wil have you tortured. Remembering of course, that it was Allah who created Iblis, and it was Allah who foresaw Iblis turning evil. Why does Allah want come people to go to the hellfire?

Loads of decent people end up in the hellfire simply for not doing Islam. It's worse than Guantanimo for locking up innocent people. Just think how many Nobel Peace Prize winners are in the hellfire right now simply because they chose the wrong religion.

(January 16, 2016 at 7:53 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Thank you for your opinion. Allah can survive without me though, yet the Quran make it seem as though as Allah is desperate for my attention. Indeed, if I don't give Allah enough attention I will go to the hellfire. For an eternity before creation Allah got by just fine without humanity then all of a sudden it was decided that thee needed to be a universe. It doesn't make sense to me.

The Iyah you cited explains the reason for humans existing but not the universe itself. Humans exist in places outside of creation (such as Jannah) so it seems rather wasteful to create an entire universe just for humans. There are more stars in our universe than grains of sand on the Earth but somehow humans are special.

People often compare Yaweh to a Mafia boss. And the same applies to Allah. Like how, the Mafia give you a choice to pay them, but if you don't pay they kill you. So, really, it was suicide not murder because you were given a clear choice as to whether you wanted to die or not.

That's why his name is God.
He is not a human. You can't say cannot "because he can". Infinite.
All what your mind can imagine, he is capable of making that true. 

As a creator, we know nothing about but what he taught us.
That is different than describing a gangster, or a businessman, for example.

(January 16, 2016 at 7:47 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Oh my guts, I can't, I'm laughing so hard !

He finally gets us....lol.  

(January 16, 2016 at 8:07 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 7:47 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Oh my guts, I can't, I'm laughing so hard !

He finally gets us....lol.  

dont generalize : say : you finally get me.

"As a creator, we know nothing about but what he taught us."

I'm pretty confused by that statement. The Quran has not lead directly to any scientific discoveries; it's not a science textbook. Humans know only what they have taught themselves. Was it Allah who taught you how to walk, speak or cook?

Belief in deities is not natural in humans. There are isolated tribes in the jungle of Atheists. These people speak languages that have zero words for "god" because their culture has not become corrupted. There's a good book on the subject by a Christian Missionary (and linguist).turned Atheist, Daniel Everett, called "Don't Sleep, There Are Snakes"

(January 16, 2016 at 8:12 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 8:07 pm)Rhythm Wrote: He finally gets us....lol.  

dont generalize : say : you finally get me.

....and back to being a moron.  I can't take full credit....I only set Whatevs up.  He delivered the winning punchline.  Jesus christ...... perhaps you should stick to the great satan routine.

There is nothing more absurd than the idea of an unlimited being. It's the spiritual equivalent of "My dad can beat up your dad..."