(January 18, 2016 at 8:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Drich is a divine command man, lol.

If 'god' told him to kill his own kid drippy would say "you got it, lord."

It's rather disturbing at this stage in my life to have finally run across a true Kierkegaardian Knight of Faith.

(January 18, 2016 at 6:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I wonder whether slaves think the institution of slavery brings out the best in people?  Meh, fuck em, who cares.... they're slaves.  Tell us more about that good old time religion Drich.

IDK I think Joseph had a pretty good run as Pharaoh's slave. No one had a higher position in all of Egypt. He literally ruled, and only answered to Pharaoh himself.
Maybe to you having complete access and control of the most powerful nation in the world at the time is just 'the man trying to keep you down.' But to me that would be a great place of honor, even if I had the title slave. Why? because it is only a word that we ourselves give meaning to. The circumstance Joseph lived was far above and beyond anyone else in his day except one person, and enjoyed freedoms and wealth most in his day could not even fathom let alone access in all of their 'freedom.' Yet by definition He was a slave to pharaoh.
That my narrow minded friend is an example of slavery not being a 'bad' thing, yet on the other side of the coin in just a few hundred years, when all had been forgotten about Joseph, the tide turned and the slaves of Egypt/The Jews were treated horribly as slaves.
That is why I said slavery is a tool that does not have to be all evil all the time. It simply brings out who we are when we are left unchecked with the illusion of total control over another human being. That is why it is so important that people like you acknowledge your role in modern day slavery so we do not let companies who own/use slave labor to go unchecked!

(January 19, 2016 at 10:23 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 6:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I wonder whether slaves think the institution of slavery brings out the best in people?  Meh, fuck em, who cares.... they're slaves.  Tell us more about that good old time religion Drich.

IDK I think Joseph had a pretty good run as Pharaoh's slave. No one had a higher position in all of Egypt. He literally ruled, and only answered to Pharaoh himself.

Joseph was promoted according to the Bible ... no longer a slave ... please stop embarrassing yourself

(January 18, 2016 at 6:24 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 5:08 pm)Drich Wrote: God gave us complete reign over this world and Slavery is what we wanted.

Which again in of itself does not have to be a bad thing. It's when the people in authority choose to abuse or even people who have contracted themselves out do not meet their agreed upon tasks/goals that it becomes a bad thing.. Or even when greed takes the person who is in authority they want more work in exchange for what is right or fair, does slavery become a bad thing.

Slavery is an institution that bring out the very best or the very worst in people, and as history has shown unchecked slavery always brings out the very worst.

DIRCH JUST STOP PLEASE!

Slavery get this... is not okay i don't care if a god said it was or not it's not okay get it?
You wouldn't want to be slave simple as that i wouldn't want to be a slave either.
Slavery is NOT OKAY.

Do you own Nikes, a cell phone, a computer (built in the last 10 years) have anything that uses lithium batteries, ever bought a auto part from a dealer or even a discount part store? Ever eat food you did not grow or raise yourself?

Yes???

Then know your money went directly to support modern day slavery.

So then, if all slavery is wrong then why do you personally support it with your money?

How about I take you as my slave, Drich? I'll treat you just like the ones in your magic story.

(January 18, 2016 at 6:37 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 5:08 pm)Drich Wrote: God gave us complete reign over this world and Slavery is what we wanted.

Which again in of itself does not have to be a bad thing. It's when the people in authority choose to abuse or even people who have contracted themselves out do not meet their agreed upon tasks/goals that it becomes a bad thing.. Or even when greed takes the person who is in authority they want more work in exchange for what is right or fair, does slavery become a bad thing.

Slavery is an institution that bring out the very best or the very worst in people, and as history has shown unchecked slavery always brings out the very worst.

So wait...

Are you actually saying, that in some form, under the right hands, slavery is actually okay?

Please describe under what circumstances and what this slavery would look like.

Your look at the institution from a first world perspective. Or rather you assume you are in a position of someone who could own a slave rather than be a slave if those were the only two types of people in the world. as someone you who only knows the illusion of freedom you can not think of any reason why anyone would elect slavery for themselves. However, imagine you are part of a 3rd world nation, with no prospects of education or even a job outside of being a mud and bamboo hut, mosquito farmer.. Now Imagine millions more just like you. All out of work all with no sustainable way to provide for yourself or family. because the one thing your family has always done (fish farm whatever) can't feed your town's growing population anymore.

Now Imagine Ford, or Apple or Boeing decides to put up a sub assembly plant (under a different name or sub contractor of course which is high regulated by the world goverments) in your part of the world. Now in exchange for a 6th month, regulated 70 hour work week or meeting production requirements, you get housing (maybe a shoe box studio, but it has electric, plumbing, It's clean, and temp control) food stipen, access to company medical and .35 cents an hour in a place where a dollar a day is considered top pay. Which does not sound like a lot, but when all your basic needs are met this is a fortune..

This would be an idea situation, however what tends to happen is a unreasonably long work contract, beatings when quotas are not met, no work shift time limits in some cases, below average pay, when housing is provided it is in shanty towns, and the workers are often times charged for food and housing at a rate equal to or just under what they make so they will never get out from under the company store.

With your acknoweledgement and those like you could come work conditions like or greater than what I laid out above.

(January 18, 2016 at 7:04 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 6:37 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So wait...

Are you actually saying, that in some form, under the right hands, slavery is actually okay?

Please describe under what circumstances and what this slavery would look like.

lol, he's forced to provide justification for slavery. The Bible demands he do so.

lol, he's force to pretend he and people like him are not the reason for modern day slavery. The pop culture and self righteousness demand that they all do so.

(January 18, 2016 at 7:44 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 7:17 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The biblical kind, or in the absence of that.... whatever kind god might command.  Any kind, really.  Drich is a divine command man, lol.  Understand that when you have this sort of discussion with him you won't even be talking about the same things when you use the words "morality", "right", or "wrong".

God said it, that settles it.  Get it?

"God said it, I believe it, that settles it", say many stubborn fools of this world.

as apposed to 'pop morality said it, I believe it and that settles it?' Please do you people not get that 'pop morality' marched the Jews into death camps, put Indians on death marches/reservations, and the like?

(January 19, 2016 at 10:55 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 7:04 pm)Irrational Wrote: lol, he's forced to provide justification for slavery. The Bible demands he do so.

lol, he's force to pretend he and people like him are not the reason for modern day slavery. The pop culture and self righteousness demand that they all do so.

You can't even copy my words properly

(January 18, 2016 at 9:16 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 4:04 pm)Drich Wrote:

I'll put it this way.

"Sorry" means  it won't happen again. I'm going to hold you to that.

Actually the word sorry verbalizes a wish for penance. To mockingly say it over and over displays a feeling of oppression under an authoritarian rule.. Ironically much like your peer understanding of slavery.