For those who want proof of the exodus

[Drich]

the simple answer?

Only God wrote in "Stone." And, Their are only 2 examples of that.

The Hebrew Scribes were commanded to write on parchment, when relaying God's word.

Oh Really? Is that commandment written in stone somewhere?

When did I say was a commandment? It's an observation. the Jews did not engrave (carve religious words) into stone. The only example is when God did this. (the Hand writing on the wall and the 10 commandments)

This is "one of a kind" 3ft tall stone tablet from the period of the second temple. and it was written in INK/Not carved.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-u...ew-tablet/

That said their are commands that they engrave into gold and jewls.

[Cyberman]

Our their? Fastenating.

[Brakeman]

the simple answer?

Only God wrote in "Stone." And, Their are only 2 examples of that.

The Hebrew Scribes were commanded to write on parchment, when relaying God's word.

Oh Really? Is that commandment written in stone somewhere?

When did I say was a commandment? It's an observation. the Jews did not engrave (carve religious words) into stone. The only example is when God did this. (the Hand writing on the wall and the 10 commandments)

This is "one of a kind" 3ft tall stone tablet from the period of the second temple. and it was written in INK/Not carved.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-u...ew-tablet/

That said their are commands that they engrave into gold and jewls.

Where did you say it was a commandment? Check the quote up above.. I highlighted it in red for you. You do know that a command from god is called a commandment don't you?
You said that the scribes were commanded that they not carve in stone. Since the scribes and priests supposedly only followed "god's" comandments it also only follows that only god's demands carried weight with them, thus your sentence would be meaningless if it meant anything but a command by god.

Furthermore there are ZERO examples of god carving anything in stone not two.. God doesn't exist, he's a made up story character.

[Drich]

the simple answer?

Only God wrote in "Stone." And, Their are only 2 examples of that.

The Hebrew Scribes were commanded to write on parchment, when relaying God's word.

When did I say was a commandment? It's an observation. the Jews did not engrave (carve religious words) into stone. The only example is when God did this. (the Hand writing on the wall and the 10 commandments)

This is "one of a kind" 3ft tall stone tablet from the period of the second temple. and it was written in INK/Not carved.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-u...ew-tablet/

That said their are commands that they engrave into gold and jewls.

Where did you say it was a commandment? Check the quote up above.. I highlighted it in red for you. You do know that a command from god is called a commandment don't you?
You said that the scribes were commanded that they not carve in stone. Since the scribes and priests supposedly only followed "god's" comandments it also only follows that only god's demands carried weight with them, thus your sentence would be meaningless if it meant anything but a command by god.

Furthermore there are ZERO examples of god carving anything in stone not two.. God doesn't exist, he's a made up story character.

I was referring to the sefer Torah which all jews were commanded to 'hand write on Parchment or calf skin.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Torah

Got it confused with the official/sanctified manuscripts.

(which again all existing examples put them on parchement or calf skin as well, but as a general observation and not an observable command.)

Either way the point is the Jews did not carve God's words into stone, They were only ever commanded to write on stone in one place in the bible. Couple that with the archaeological record we have (One stone tablet acredited to the Jews and it was written in Ink not engraved.) and your argument still does not hold water.

[Minimalist]

Oh Really? Is that commandment written in stone somewhere?

When did I say was a commandment? It's an observation. the Jews did not engrave (carve religious words) into stone. The only example is when God did this. (the Hand writing on the wall and the 10 commandments)

This is "one of a kind" 3ft tall stone tablet from the period of the second temple. and it was written in INK/Not carved.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-u...ew-tablet/

That said their are commands that they engrave into gold and jewls.

For once in your life you have actually made an almost relevant post, drippy.  Congratulations.

As noted:

Bible experts are still debating the writing’s meaning, largely because much of the ink has eroded in crucial spots in the passage and the tablet has two diagonal cracks the slice the text into three pieces. Museum curators say only 40 percent of the 87 lines are legible, many of those only barely. The interpretation of the text featured in the Israel Museum’s exhibit is just one of five readings put forth by scholars.

This is totally accurate and a perfect example of why inscriptions were carved and not written.   A scholar named George Athas has done extensive work on the Tel Dan Stele, down to a blow by blow recap of each stroke of the chisel which is a bit tedious to read but it makes his point.  Anyway, what you have to remember is that in the ancient world literacy was rare.  There were far more people who could use a chisel and hammer than there were who could read and write.

An inscription on a stone was written out, in ink, by a scribe who was literate enough to do so.  When the scribe was finished someone else would come in to chisel out the marks made in ink.  Such work would be beneath the dignity of a scribe.  The engraver who most likely was not literate himself would simply obliterate the lines written in ink and the result was an engraved version.

I can not find Athas' work online so you'll just have to take my word for it.  Unless you want to read "The Tel Dan Inscription: A Reappraisal and a New Introduction" yourself.  (You won't like it.)

You have to lose the idea that the ancients were stupid.  They weren't.  They knew exactly what would happen if they posted an ink on stone sign.  It would be obliterated by the elements in virtually no time at all.  That's why they went through the trouble of engraving them in the first place.  In this instance, Israel Knohl who did the first serious work on the stone notes that it coincides with the upheavals at the end of the reign of Herod the Great.  He specifically refers to a man named Simon who led a revolt and died in the process.  One envisions a scribe writing this stuff out and then the Romans overrunning the site before the engraver could get to work.  Hard to engrave much of anything with a sword stuck in your belly.

[Brakeman]

http://www.bibleorigins.net/RohlsChronol...ucted.html


Pesky facts VS  magic woowoo god story.

the simple answer?

Only God wrote in "Stone." And, Their are only 2 examples of that.

The Hebrew Scribes were commanded to write on parchment, when relaying God's word.

Where did you say it was a commandment? Check the quote up above.. I highlighted it in red for you. You do know that a command from god is called a commandment don't you?
You said that the scribes were commanded that they not carve in stone. Since the scribes and priests supposedly only followed "god's" comandments it also only follows that only god's demands carried weight with them, thus your sentence would be meaningless if it meant anything but a command by god.

Furthermore there are ZERO examples of god carving anything in stone not two.. God doesn't exist, he's a made up story character.

I was referring to the sefer Torah which all jews were commanded to 'hand write on Parchment or calf skin.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Torah

Got it confused with the official/sanctified manuscripts.

(which again all existing examples put them on parchement or calf skin as well, but as a general observation and not an observable command.)

Either way the point is the Jews did not carve God's words into stone, They were only ever commanded to write on stone in one place in the bible. Couple that with the archaeological record we have (One stone tablet acredited to the Jews and it was written in Ink not engraved.) and your argument still does not hold water.

You don't even understand what my argument was. God didn't write shit, not in stone or papyrus or lambskin or paper. Bullshit artists extending a con game wrote all of the religious documents. God didn't tell anybody to write anything in any way. A deceitful man wrote the very first god story and a deceitful man will write the last. It's all just a bullshit story.

[Minimalist]

Hmph.  For once I spoke nicely to Drippy and he disappeared.

Perhaps his heart could not stand the shock?

[Drich]

When did I say was a commandment? It's an observation. the Jews did not engrave (carve religious words) into stone. The only example is when God did this. (the Hand writing on the wall and the 10 commandments)

This is "one of a kind" 3ft tall stone tablet from the period of the second temple. and it was written in INK/Not carved.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-u...ew-tablet/

That said their are commands that they engrave into gold and jewls.

For once in your life you have actually made an almost relevant post, drippy.  Congratulations.

As noted:

Bible experts are still debating the writing’s meaning, largely because much of the ink has eroded in crucial spots in the passage and the tablet has two diagonal cracks the slice the text into three pieces. Museum curators say only 40 percent of the 87 lines are legible, many of those only barely. The interpretation of the text featured in the Israel Museum’s exhibit is just one of five readings put forth by scholars.

This is totally accurate and a perfect example of why inscriptions were carved and not written.   A scholar named George Athas has done extensive work on the Tel Dan Stele, down to a blow by blow recap of each stroke of the chisel which is a bit tedious to read but it makes his point.  Anyway, what you have to remember is that in the ancient world literacy was rare.  There were far more people who could use a chisel and hammer than there were who could read and write.

An inscription on a stone was written out, in ink, by a scribe who was literate enough to do so.  When the scribe was finished someone else would come in to chisel out the marks made in ink.  Such work would be beneath the dignity of a scribe.  The engraver who most likely was not literate himself would simply obliterate the lines written in ink and the result was an engraved version.

I can not find Athas' work online so you'll just have to take my word for it.  Unless you want to read "The Tel Dan Inscription: A Reappraisal and a New Introduction" yourself.  (You won't like it.)

You have to lose the idea that the ancients were stupid.  They weren't.  They knew exactly what would happen if they posted an ink on stone sign.  It would be obliterated by the elements in virtually no time at all.  That's why they went through the trouble of engraving them in the first place.  In this instance, Israel Knohl who did the first serious work on the stone notes that it coincides with the upheavals at the end of the reign of Herod the Great.  He specifically refers to a man named Simon who led a revolt and died in the process.  One envisions a scribe writing this stuff out and then the Romans overrunning the site before the engraver could get to work.  Hard to engrave much of anything with a sword stuck in your belly.

I am aware this is how things normally work.. (inking out a message and later having an engraver chisel out the lines.) The problem with this is their are NO examples of Hebrew religious texts engraved in stone. We have 2000+ year old inked out examples. This may have been a problem for us, but the religious structure of the Levitical priesthood would indeed maintain maintained the inked tablets. Even if they didn't their ink is obviously not the disappearing ink of today as the story notes nearly 1/2 is still ledgable.

The great point being. This stone tablet is the only thing we have from that time period that has anything close to scripture written in stone. This counters brakeman's empty argument that because nothing is written in stone before recorded history well documents the hebrews, they did not exist. That foolish argument presupposes that they wrote in stone, even though the evidence proves otherwise. Foolish in that the absence of evidence does not prove anything.

[Drich]

Hmph.  For once I spoke nicely to Drippy and he disappeared.

Perhaps his heart could not stand the shock?

-or I have a job that sometimes takes me away from a computer from time to time.